Clearing up guitars

[infectdsniper]

i would suggest switching your low and mid settings

 

[vespiz]

Do try the Krank cab!

 

[Ryman2727]

Well I was goin for within the ruins type sound so I saw a video online of their pre-production and copied the eq he was using on his 5150.

 

[JakeAC5253]

Well I was goin for within the ruins type sound so I saw a video online of their pre-production and copied the eq he was using on his 5150.

With those settings and that cab, you will likely have to raise the post gain to 3 if not 4 before the tone fills out the way you'd like it to.

 

[Sloan]

i highly suggest getting a cheap ribbon mic. made guitar sounds x1000 easier for me.

 

[colonel kurtz]

if i were you, i'd try turning the pre gain up a bit...i like it around 4-4.5 on my 6505+

i'd also turn down the tone a bit on the OD pedal. i can't staaaaand the nasally bump that a cranked tone knob on a TS gives, and running that into a T75 cab is just asking for a one way trip to harsh city...

 

[Ryman2727]

Thanks guys I'm gonna try all this. I should finally have some time to rerecord the guitars in the next day or two with the krank cab and change up the settings a little bit on the 6505 and my overdrive. Hopefully it all comes out for the best. Ill post the results.

 

[Siriun]

Also remember this, too: When mixing guitars (especially distorted ones in this case) always cut away and sculpt. I feel that with cutting and removing vs. buffing and adding to distorted guitars you can get it to squeeze into the mix better. That's if of course
you're having a hard time cleaning up the sound pre-recording.

 

[Ryman2727]

okay so i just rerecorded the guitars using the krank cab and i used andy sneaps's settings on the 6505 and my maxon. all i did was put it through a limiter and even then it didn't end up very loud so sorry for that. let me know what you guys think with the soloed guitars

and then heres with the drums again, although now i think the drums overpower the guitars a lot

 

[NNotN-ENN]

What's your mike position?

 

[Ryman2727]

I have the mic a little to the left of the dust cap and backed up a couple inches from the grille of the cab.

 

[bryan_kilco]

Guitars sound muffled. But, like you said, now your drums are way too loud. Bring the instruments so they are closer to the same volume and see how it sounds. Guitar tone sounds good, just really dark. either way, great playing. I dig Within the Ruins. Sadly was disappointed when I saw them live.

 

[Ryman2727]

Guitars sound muffled. But, like you said, now your drums are way too loud. Bring the instruments so they are closer to the same volume and see how it sounds. Guitar tone sounds good, just really dark. either way, great playing. I dig Within the Ruins. Sadly was disappointed when I saw them live.

I'm glad you like my playing. I saw them back when they toured with after the burial and veil of maya I didnt really listen to them then but I thought they did well. The tone is pretty dark, but I wanted to try and use kind of a "standard" tone to see how mine compares, so I used the andy sneap settings. I still think I have a lot to work on with my tone.

 

[medic999]

i thought WTR was podfarm? http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/andy-sneap/614675-within-ruins-new-album.html

 

[medic999]

also the EMG 85 they use in the bridge gives them that distinct sound. its funny the other guitar player in my band knows the guy making some new gear for them (Acacia Guitars) and WTR wanted some Bare knuckle pups in there. dude was like NOOOOPE. you guys got your tone...stickin with the 85

 

[slayercannibalsuffohead]

I find the most important knob on the 6505 is the presence. From around 8 and onwards, it really opens up the sound of the amp. I like it around 8.5 - 9.0 with V/30s.

 

[Ryman2727]

maybe their older stuff was podfarm. but their new preproduction video showed them using a mic on a cab and their guitarist was talking about how important it is to them that they use real live instruments when recording.

 

[Greyanaroth]

Oooook.

Here's the thing - the first clip you've posted in the first post sounds WAY better than this new muddy mess. I'd reccomend boosting some mids (yeah yeah I know everyone advocates cut cut, but here what you NEED is a mid boost), and those guitars are SET! The rest you'll get to know only when your drum mix and bass mix kicks in. And your drum mix, for lack of a better word, really sucks right now. It needs to be as kickass as your guitar sound. Big, mean and powerful. So does the bass. Remember: your guitars are going to sound only as good as your drums and your bass guitar - they're there to sit BETWEEN those instruments in all the nice audible places... I've made some really crap guitar sounds work with some great drum and bass sounds - still sounded bad ass. Here, at least you've got a pretty nice guitar sound going already. I dunno, I was never a huge fan of those 75s, but I'm slowly warming up to the hollow character - if you mix in what you have there with a close miced SM57, cap off axis, and scoop out the 3-5k range on that mic, you're in gold territory. As long as you make sure you keep both microphones in phase.

Go mix those drums and add some bass!

 

[Ryman2727]

Ill try working on the drums some more. I was actually really happy with the drum tone I got out of superior on this song. Its far far better than anything I've done so far. But also the first clip WAS a 57 close miced cap off axis. I did however rerecord the guitars again at a louder volume with the krank and I'm liking it much more. I actually spent a little bit more time trying to mix is too. I have some harshness to try and eq out, but I'll try posting something again soon. What all should I try improving specifically about the drums?

 

[bryan_kilco]

Yeah, newer mix is darker. Needs more mids and highs.