Country of shit, politics of whit, corruption etc. - Serious thread

[Ender Rises]

That post was a complete, 100% ad hominem.

EDIT: Ninja'd.

 

[Matt]

I have come to the conclusion that Hubster is fucking moron.

 

[cookiecutter]

- Cookies example above: "Working full time at a gas station will give you what you need, but that's not a very satisfying life and trying to achieve something more, even materially should not be looked down upon." But you say this, as what appears to be as a strong supporter of capitalism, and the sad thing is that if there was any middle ground, it is fast disappearing. Capitalism is mutating in greed, take one look at the buying trends of people today in comparison to perhaps 20 years ago, gluttony rules supreme. It sounds like you wish capitalism to be used with "more honesty" or something, and on paper I'm sure this is a good idea. However, the pro-capitalist human is a greedy human, and the exploitation of the system will continue imo.

You completely missed my point. I was saying that I don't think Capitalism is completely untenable, as long as the semi-valid criticisms you and others bring up are addressed by non-capitalistic agency/agencies.

Considering you live at home with Mum and Dad, are still what, 19 or something, have no idea about the real world, haven't started your career yet, have no idea about the concept of independence, let alone any idea who you really are yet and wont for about at least 5 more years, I don't think you're in a position to say you really know much other than what you've read. Experienced? - you don't know a thing, and it's clearly displayed by every response in your above post, you have no ability to look past the literal and into the greater scope of things nor to display any humility.

It's a pity to know that few of you kids will travel domestically or internationally, will go and experience anything beyond your comfort zone, and will continuously quote paragraphs from tomes you read in college. You will stay well within what is socially acceptable in your society, yet all the stating how different you are to all others around you.

Every response I've read over the years from this group is never filled with any surprise or any true intellect, and despite how proudly some of you claim to be so focussed on your education, NOT ONE PERSON (actually I lie, ONLY ONE) has displayed any kind of independent thinking at all.

Is this meant to imply I know everything? No, not at all. I'm continuing to learn as much as the next person. Despite the interpretive idiocy people have displayed in this thread, yourself included, one thing has become apparent and that is that it is filled with mindless unthinking drones.

The funniest part is that you all think you're different and challenging, but you challenge nothing and remain incessant static, firmly entrenched with The Mass Herd, displaying no ability to expand or mature. It's quite a frightening display. And to think, you're going to control our countries and economies one day, dictate social movements and trends, and the like. What an awful proposition, and what a diluted representation of humanity you are. How worthless, were I a parent I would be extremely ashamed.

And with that, I will finish wasting time posting any more shit in this thread. Go ahead and quote, flame away, and pull each others cocks as always all you like, nothing you kids post has any substance or direction to it anyway. Fucking worthless, trendfollowing pieces of shit, the lot of you.

Wow, I don't know how to respond to this. You have solidified your place as one of the worst debaters of all time

 

[Ender Rises]

I have come to the conclusion that Hubster is fucking moron.

That is, I think, a correct conclusion.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

I know how to respond to it, and it's not in a way that would give him the benefit of his post being considered an argument in any way...but a piecemeal assassination of his horrible excuses for "points" using pure awesome...I mean, logic and fallacies thereof...

Considering you live at home with Mum and Dad, are still what, 19 or something,[...]I don't think you're in a position to say you really know much other than what you've read.

Great use of ad hominem. Features enough emotional and spirit-breaking negativity to quell even the most fearless of brave internet herohearts. Truly sardonic biting wizardry.

Experienced? - you don't know a thing, and it's clearly displayed by every response in your above post, you have no ability to look past the literal and into the greater scope of things nor to display any humility.

I can't find me mentioning "experience" at all so I'm not sure what's going on here but I think it's supposed to crystallize some kind of inane point about my inherent shortsightedness because I "live at home with my Mum and Dad" but honestly I can't tell if there's a point here in any capacity.

It's a pity to know that few of you kids will travel domestically or internationally, will go and experience anything beyond your comfort zone, and will continuously quote paragraphs from tomes you read in college.

Nick's traveled as he's mentioned to me. I haven't but would like to. Travel, as evidenced by Hubster's enlightened state on the wellbeing of all humanity, seems to make you more deluded and I can come to this conclusion based on one example--remind anyone of somebody here? Also, I'm an art major so nothing I've written has been taken from any "tomes"...drawing and painting and designing; that's me...this is just natural I guess. Call it a flair for not sucking intensely...

You will stay well within what is socially acceptable in your society, yet all the stating how different you are to all others around you.

Weird and wacky assumption part I; here's where I'm not feeling good about this anymore. From the microcosm of insulting me to the macrocosm of generalization of "college d00ds who sit on teh 1nt3rn37"...not sure here either...pass?

Every response I've read over the years from this group is never filled with any surprise or any true intellect, and despite how proudly some of you claim to be so focussed on your education, NOT ONE PERSON (actually I lie, ONLY ONE) has displayed any kind of independent thinking at all.

If independent thinking requires ridiculous inaccuracies, ludicrous generalizations about almost everything in the entire world and total failure on every logical and deducible level...I don't like it. Sounds like a bad case of "I don't know what the hell I'm talking about-itis" which is not rare, but nearly fatal to useful brain functions.

Is this meant to imply I know everything? No, not at all.

And cue the apologetic good-cop-bad-cop strategy. Looks good when you're out of useful (or in this case, ANY) claims to make.

Despite the interpretive idiocy people have displayed in this thread, yourself included, one thing has become apparent and that is that it is filled with mindless unthinking drones.

...and now we're on psychological projection; "I'm not the one interpreting things differently, it's you guys, maaan!"

The funniest part is that you all think you're different and challenging, but you challenge nothing and remain incessant static, firmly entrenched with The Mass Herd, displaying no ability to expand or mature. It's quite a frightening display.

Scare caps are scary. So scary in fact that they scared away his points which are by now in a fetal position in the corner from being so badly abused and left for dead.

And to think, you're going to control our countries and economies one day, dictate social movements and trends, and the like.

For a second I thought "what a nice guy!...giving me all this credit when all I plan to do is work at a second or first or whatever rate graphic/web design corporation doing a desk job until I grow old, retire and die"...then...

What an awful proposition, and what a diluted representation of humanity you are. How worthless, were I a parent I would be extremely ashamed.

Not just ad hominems anymore; now they're disrespectful and silly, despite the perceived air of being caustic. This is just plain mean. My parents love me, you jerk!

And with that, I will finish wasting time posting any more shit in this thread. Go ahead and quote, flame away, and pull each others cocks as always all you like, nothing you kids post has any substance or direction to it anyway.

No reply for this, sorry if it seemed like there would be one. But I've been quoting the shit out of this just for lulz/possible epic win(z?!).

Fucking worthless, trendfollowing pieces of shit, the lot of you.

Bye.

 

[Einherjar86]

A couple of things I'll address:

- What I'm really trying to get at is that I feel, from what I saw overseas and no doubt will see more of very soon, is that capitalism is killing who we are as people. We're focussed on acquiring things, on competing with each other, instead of helping one another, and appreciating the simpler things in life.

(Please folks, forthcoming sentence is not meant to be condescending, simply to illustrate a point)... Yes I know it sounds absurd, but at my age, generally 10 years older than many of you and having had experienced capitalism as an adult for a decade longer, and also having lived independently since the age of 18, I've arrived at the conclusion that the more simpler I live, the less pointless crap I acquire, the happier I find myself getting, and the more focussed on "real" things I find myself becoming. I feel like a better person for it.

- I guess you could say to an extent that kids in the western world aren't as happy. They spend their time screaming at their parents for more material things, eating shit food and getting fat as fuck, spending less time outdoors, being less creative, and expecting, expecting, expecting. The kids I saw overseas for a start were more self-reliant, and much more aware of the world around them.

- Cookies example above: "Working full time at a gas station will give you what you need, but that's not a very satisfying life and trying to achieve something more, even materially should not be looked down upon." But you say this, as what appears to be as a strong supporter of capitalism, and the sad thing is that if there was any middle ground, it is fast disappearing. Capitalism is mutating in greed, take one look at the buying trends of people today in comparison to perhaps 20 years ago, gluttony rules supreme. It sounds like you wish capitalism to be used with "more honesty" or something, and on paper I'm sure this is a good idea. However, the pro-capitalist human is a greedy human, and the exploitation of the system will continue imo.

- I'm not saying ditch all materials to live a decent life. I guess I'm trying to illustrate how greedy we've become, and that's made people lose their way in terms of concentrating on the things in life which really do matter.

Hey Hubster, I see where you're coming from. I understand why you probably think these things; but man, you do know that there are plenty of people who aren't greedy and who don't think of things in a purely material sense, right? I mean, thinking of everyone I know in my hometown: I know people who are small business owners. I know people who work what we might call common, mundane jobs (some will for the next year or so, others will for the rest of their lives). I know people who are living their dream and making shit (local musicians, theater actors, teachers/professors). And I have to say man, I don't think any of them are angry, superficial, or pissed off at the world. Certainly none of them are greedy. I know a few really cheap people cool; but hell, that's what makes them unique. I don't think capitalism is a flawed, ultimately corrupt system that's going to lead us all to greed and pure egocentricism. I think that there are people who want to succeed in life and who believe that they have a right to be recognized for what they achieve. That's what capitalism is to me. You can call this post brainwashed, or call me ignorant, because I'm not as old as you, I'm still in college... and hell, I haven't been to Indonesia. But I've been from Buffalo to Tampa, and I have friends and family in both places. And I have to say, your generalizations of this western culture may be true for some people, but they're not true for the people I know.

 

[Matt]

Fucking worthless, trendfollowing pieces of shit, the lot of you.

This is fucking lol considering the source

 

[Ender Rises]

Holy shit, I agree with Ender, AND he made a really well-thought out and fucking logical post. Not that your other posts are illogical but...just, wow. Nice.

I saw this late... thanks. I have a habit of not thinking shit out all the way, and I'm trying to break that habit. I think that was the best post I have made in about three months.

 

[RosesofShadow]

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view_article.php?article_id=54661

I know it's from last year, but you get the idea...

We could have been a "better" country if not from these fuckers who don't know how to run good governance. I guess everybody who is in power is always tempted for that greed.

 

[Ender Rises]

I wouldn't say everybody, but the majority? Probably. I'm speaking worldwide, not strictly in the Philippines, since I'm not familiar with Philippines politics.

 

[RosesofShadow]

I wouldn't say everybody, but the majority? Probably. I'm speaking worldwide, not strictly in the Philippines, since I'm not familiar with Philippines politics.

Oh yeah, thanks for the correction Ender... It should have been majority or mostly... thanks!

 

[Alter]

I think some of you are being a little harsh and making overly large generalizations when it comes to capitalism. Of course profit is encouraged, and greed and corruption flow from that. What I think you are missing is that having more than you need is not necessarily a bad thing. Working full time at a gas station will give you what you need, but that's not a very satisfying life and trying to achieve something more, even materially should not be looked down upon. Where I start agreeing with you is when CEOs get fired and receive severance packages worth billions of dollars. Surely there is some healthy middle ground.

Yes, but this corruption effects us a lot but it effects the low social classes around the world a ton more and nothing has been done to stop it.

 

[cookiecutter]

Yes, but this corruption effects us a lot but it effects the low social classes around the world a ton more and nothing has been done to stop it.

I agree and something should be done to stop it

 

[Zephyrus]

Like what? Will-power?

 

[Alter]

Government intervention...

 

[Zephyrus]

Yet the government itself is corrupt.

 

[Alter]

So what do you say we do?

 

[Zephyrus]

If I knew a solution that would work I would have stated it, rather than asking for one.

 

[cookiecutter]

Social Welfare and hopefully have some solution to government corruption. It's better than having people suffer in extreme poverty.

 

[Zephyrus]

Except the corruption is going to prevent throwing more money at welfare because it doesn't serve the lobby's interests.

It's simple, whatever doesn't either produce immediate (though short-term) results or promise of profit will not be favored by most politicians, the corrupt in particular.

Take Hillary's gas-tax-free plan over Obama's long-term plan to tackle the energy crisis. The gas-tax-free plan would be more popular because it produces immediate results, but Obama's plan (alternative energy is part of it) wouldn't show results for a long time, but if most of our politicians, or the corporations behind them, had any patience, we could be making progress in many things.