Dakryn's Batshit Theory of the Week

[Dak]

Here we go, and people think gun owners are paranoid:

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text

Congress is now starting on the firearms confiscation bill. If it

passes, gun owners will become criminals if you don't fully comply.

It has started.

Very Important for you to be aware of a new bill HR 45 introduced

into the House.. This is the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of

Sale Act of 2009.

Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because the government

is trying to fly it under the radar.

To find out about this - go to any government website and type in HR

45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales

Act of 2009. You will get all the information.

Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle

with a clip or ANY pistol unless:

-It is registered -You are fingerprinted -You supply a current

Driver's License -You supply your Social Security # -You will submit

to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing

-Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale

must be reported and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically

lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.

-There is a child provisio n clause on page 16 section 305 stating a

child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any

child under 18. -They would have the right to come and inspect that

you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children

and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison.

If you think this is a joke - go to the website and take your pick of

many options to read this. It is long and lengthy. But, more and

more people are becoming aware of this. Pass the word along. Any

hunters in your family pass this along.

This is just a "termite" approach to complete confiscation of guns

and disarming of our society to the point we have no defense - chip

away a little here and there until the goal is accomplished before

anyone realizes it.

This is one to act on whether you own a gun or not.

If you take my gun, only the criminal will have one to use against

me. HR 45 only makes me/us less safe.

< http://thomas. loc.gov/cgi- bin/query/ z?c111:H. R.45:

< http://www.opencong ress.org/ bill/111- h45/show

< http://www.govtrack .us/congress/ bill.xpd? bill=h111- 45

Please.. copy and send this out to EVERYONE in the USA , whether you

support the Right to Bear Arms or are for gun control. We all

should have the right to choose.

 

[skeptik]

-It is registered -You are fingerprinted -You supply a current

Driver's License -You supply your Social Security # -You will submit

to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing

-Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale

must be reported and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically

lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.

-There is a child provisio n clause on page 16 section 305 stating a

child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any

child under 18. -They would have the right to come and inspect that

you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children

and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison.

I don't see what's so horrible with this.

 

[unknown]

yeah. that actually sounds pretty reasonable and, I don't know, safe

 

[Dak]

I don't see what's so horrible with this.

 

[Dak]

yeah. that actually sounds pretty reasonable and, I don't know, safe

#1. In world history, weapon registration always leads to confiscation, and eventually to genocide. (I know I have posted this information before). It's none of the government's business who has what guns, especially if you have never committed a weapon/assualt related felony.

#2. Weapons locked up to the point that an 18 yr old can't access them makes them pretty useless in a self defense situation. I had a .22 at age 9 and full access to it and the bullets. I never shot anyone, accidently or otherwise.

My dad kept his revolver loaded and within reahc of me when I was 5. But I was taught not to mess with it. I never even touched it, and the only time I saw it was at ranges. It is none of the governments business where or how I store my weapons.

To force psychological/mental evaluations to be able to own a firearm definitely infringes on the 2nd Amendment. Psychology is a very inaccurate science and one easily prone to manipulation.

All in all, this bill is 100% bullshit to disarm and control the population. If this manages to pass, I expect a lot of Ruby Ridge repeats.

 

[skeptik]

Take off the tinfoil hat, bro.

 

[metal paddy]

Take off the tinfoil hat, bro.

TRUE WORDS BRUV

 

[King Richard]

#1. It's none of the government's business who has what guns

I disagree.

especially if you have never committed a weapon/assualt related felony.

There's a first time for everything.

#2. Weapons locked up to the point that an 18 yr old can't access them makes them pretty useless in a self defense situation.

Agree.

But I was taught not to mess with it. I never even touched it, and the only time I saw it was at ranges. It is none of the governments business where or how I store my weapons.

Agree.

To force psychological/mental evaluations to be able to own a firearm definitely infringes on the 2nd Amendment.

Agree.

 

[Dak]

Take off the tinfoil hat, bro.

That was probably the most ignorant response possible. Congratulations. Your level of emasculated comments in any thread that has to do with things outside of music leads me to believe you have been heavily consuming soy your entire life, or are actually a woman.

 

[skeptik]

It's actually simply because I don't take you seriously at all. You're a complete joke to me and I treat you merely as amusement. Almost every opinion that you share on this forum is utterly ridiculous, so if I were to take you seriously at this point, I would have to be retarded.

 

[Dak]

Nothing about my previous post was opinion

Fact: The Bill is being introduced
Fact: A gun secured in such a way that an 18 yr old cannot access it is useless for self defense.
Fact: Historically, Gun registration leads to confiscation, and eventually genocide.
Fact: Requiring constant/random psych evals infringes on the 2nd amendment.
Fact: Psych evals for this purpose are the equivalent of having a "Pre-Crime" unit (Seemed so horrible in Minority Report right?)

You don't seem to take anything of importance seriously, whether I bring them up or not, and that is evidence of a complete lack of maturity. If you can't provide anything to serious content threads other than "c00l st0ry" level comments, then please stay out.

 

[skeptik]

I don't take YOU seriously. The issues themselves I take seriously, just not what you have to say about them.

 

[unknown]

A gun secured in such a way that an 18 yr old cannot access it is useless for self defense.

what about knives, swords, baseball bats, small bedside tables, lamps or fisticuffs for self defense. don't act like a gun is the only way to defend yourself.

Historically, Gun registration leads to confiscation, and eventually genocide.

hm. interesting. Is the government planning a genocide on its own people? If all of these conspiracy theories are supposed to keep the rich and wealthy in power, they won't be able to do that with a murdered/non existent middle and lower class to support them. I'm not denying what you're claiming, and you said it's happened before. so whatever.

Requiring constant/random psych evals infringes on the 2nd amendment.

How? This just seems like common sense to me. I wouldn't want to give some Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer person a gun willynilly. There's something about the possibility of a mentally unstable person being able to carry a lethal weapon that doesn't sit well with me. But what the hell...let's arm the mentally deranged and have some fun! Yes, I realize the majority of gun owners aren't batshit crazy, but some people who do buy guns probably have some deep psychological problems and by giving those people the means to a kill person, they just might. They also may not.

Psych evals for this purpose are the equivalent of having a "Pre-Crime" unit (Seemed so horrible in Minority Report right?)

seems like a bit of a stretch to me. After school programs, The Boys & Girls Club and the YMCA are all meant to deter crime, to prevent crime before it happens. I kind of see the analogy you're making, but it is based off a science fiction book, and the philosophical problems of Minority Report probably aren't worth going into. If you're curious, you can google it. (or you could just go here).

but who knows dakryn. maybe you're right.

 

[cookiecutter]

Fact: Historically, Dakryn is always wrong

 

[Krigloch the Furious]

Im with you Dakryn. The government needs to leave us the fuck alone

 

[Dak]

what about knives, swords, baseball bats, small bedside tables, lamps or fisticuffs for self defense. don't act like a gun is the only way to defend yourself.

When guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns. I don't trust my sword lol vs a gun.

hm. interesting. Is the government planning a genocide on its own people? If all of these conspiracy theories are supposed to keep the rich and wealthy in power, they won't be able to do that with a murdered/non existent middle and lower class to support them. I'm not denying what you're claiming, and you said it's happened before. so whatever.

Russia, Germany, and China all did the same otw to totalitarianism, which included genocide of groups of people they saw as a threat. Anyone who won't be a good sheep-like person and do everything they are told is a threat. Especially armed.

How? This just seems like common sense to me. I wouldn't want to give some Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer person a gun willynilly. There's something about the possibility of a mentally unstable person being able to carry a lethal weapon that doesn't sit well with me. But what the hell...let's arm the mentally deranged and have some fun! Yes, I realize the majority of gun owners aren't batshit crazy, but some people who do buy guns probably have some deep psychological problems and by giving those people the means to a kill person, they just might. They also may not.

We already have background checks. As I said before, psychology is such an inexact science that all you have to do to control the outcome of the "evaluation" is find the psychologist you can buy off. It's 100% subject to human manipulation and error.

Punishing someone for commiting a crime they haven't commited is such an atrocious breach of human rights I can't believe anyone would go along with it.

 

[BlackMetalWhiteGuy]

When guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns. I don't trust my sword lol vs a gun.

I don't recall ever having to stop and reload my sword. Also, I was watching one of those police training type shows on one of those discovery networks and the guy said that if a guy with a knife and a guy with a gun are attacking you, you should shoot the guy with the knife first.

 

[The Ozzman]

I have to agree with Dakryn here. I try to stay out of arguments regarding the 2nd Amendment, but this legislation kinda makes it pointless to even buy a gun.

 

[Savern]

Hmmm maybe I find it difficult to get into the American mentality here... Here in the UK, vast majority of firearms are banned (its only really Farmers who have licensed ones) and I never give a second thought about being shot or threatened with a gun; knives are probably slightly more of a problem, but I feel safe - and I live in a VERY dodgy part of London, and often walk late at night, sometimes alone. Still I do not feel the need to have the ability to kill on my person.

What is it about America that everyone is sooooo paranoid that they will be robbed/raped/attacked by someone, and that the only way to protect themselves is a gun? Is it really that dangerous?

Or is it some kind of long standing "divine right" embedded in the population due to a line in the constitution?

I'm not stirring shit, or having a go - I really just want to try and understand the mindset behind an entire country wanting to be armed to the hilt.

 

[Eligos]

Best post in this whole debate thus far.