Einherjar86
Active Member
I'll address the intermingling below, but I want to address the "always changing" point, and my response is that change doesn't automatically mean it becomes something other. The USGov didn't have the DHS 15 years ago. Does that make it any more or less a state? On the other side, we have gone from exchanging eggs for turnips to metal monies to paper monies to digital bits for digital bits (like using bitcoins to buy virtual items in a game). These haven't made voluntary exchanges any less a voluntary exchange (of course where they are voluntary).
I mainly mean that concerning war/peace, government/market, the distinction you make simply doesn't hold. When you use the word to refer to coercive government action, it often contains some orientation toward peace. And when you refer to peaceful market transactions, this doesn't occlude the fact that there are violent, undesirable, or coerced transactions that occur.
Deception, coercion, etc, invalidate the definition. If someone withholds information that they have AIDs to get "voluntary" sex, is this not rape?
No, that isn't rape.
It's telling that your examples are getting more complicated and not making your points.
Why can't we differentiate? I think you theorize the "market" like an event, say a party, where some people are having a good time getting along mutually, while others are date raping in upstairs bedroom, and others are bullying in a corner, and that since it is "at the party", it's all "partying and indistinguishable", that the party "facilitated the date rape"/"bullying" etc. The dateraper/rapee might be "at a party" geographically, but they are not "partying" nor a part of the party - like a shoplifter is only at the store. Being at a party does not mean you are "partying", any more than being a business or at a business means you are acting in a market fashion.
Distinguishment and discrimination are necessary to function, and the fact that individuals can display a range of actions/behaviors dependent on setting and time doesn't make the actions all the same, anymore than intermingling of institutions of war(state) and exchange (nominally business) blur the actions. The state is an institution, businesses are institutions. The market is not an institution. This might be the crux of the difficulty, in trying to compare an institution with a non-institution. There is no "President" of the market, or a "CEO" of the market.
Of course we need to distinguish and differentiate to function; but you're arguing that in an absolutely base-level, zero-degree free market, our words would somehow align perfectly with what they mean, and that human beings (or the market) would somehow know when certain actors have crossed the line, or manipulated circumstances to his or her advantage, etc.
I understand why Deleuze and Guattari's notion of uninterrupted flows appeals to you; but you seem to miss the fact that in their theorization of actual material reality, those distinctions do not exist. None of the distinctions we make in our arguments exist. Distinctions are applications of re-coding, reterritorialization. Now, this practice is certainly necessary for us to function, but your whole approach conflates the spheres of thought and action.
You claim that we need to make these distinctions (which is true), but you also believe that these distinctions somehow conform to a broader objectivity, possibly material reality itself. I just find your methodology (as far as theorizing goes) confused and contradictory.