Dakryn's Batshit Theory of the Week

[Einherjar86]

I know that's a joke, but the findings in that link are very different than any research Alex Jones has ever done.

 

[CiG]

fwiw Burroughs wrote that "Language is a virus from outer space."

Specifically playing off this bit, Mr. Salty.

 

[Einherjar86]

I'm sugar and spice and everything nice, sir.

Yes, but Burroughs was writing fiction that was closer to reality than he probably realized--because, you know, he was a smart person. Alex Jones derives reality from the most inventive of fantasies--because he's a dumb person.

Also, language totally is a virus from outer space, if by "virus" we mean a reproductive tendency programmed into our brains, and by "outer space" we mean that we're organisms on a planet in space...

 

[CiG]

 

[Einherjar86]

Awww, don't be like that.

 

[Dazed and Brutal]

fwiw Burroughs wrote that "Language is a virus from outer space."

u read Snow Crash?

 

[Einherjar86]

Fuck yeah man, great book.

 

[Dazed and Brutal]

Fuck yeah man, great book.

Oh it's straight head cheese, his fugue passages on linguistics were fucking nuts.

 

[Einherjar86]

My teaching advisor for the semester told me a few days ago that Stephenson actually went to BU. I had no idea. Apparently his first book is called The Big U, and is based on his time on campus.

Anyway, in other news:

https://aeon.co/ideas/you-thought-quantum-mechanics-was-weird-check-out-entangled-time

The problem is that entanglement violates how the world ought to work. Information can’t travel faster than the speed of light, for one. But in a 1935 paper, Einstein and his co-authors showed how entanglement leads to what’s now called quantum nonlocality, the eerie link that appears to exist between entangled particles. If two quantum systems meet and then separate, even across a distance of thousands of lightyears, it becomes impossible to measure the features of one system (such as its position, momentum and polarity) without instantly steering the other into a corresponding state.

Up to today, most experiments have tested entanglement over spatial gaps. The assumption is that the ‘nonlocal’ part of quantum nonlocality refers to the entanglement of properties across space. But what if entanglement also occurs across time? Is there such a thing as temporal nonlocality?

The answer, as it turns out, is yes. Just when you thought quantum mechanics couldn’t get any weirder, a team of physicists at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem reported in 2013 that they had successfully entangled photons that never coexisted. Previous experiments involving a technique called ‘entanglement swapping’ had already showed quantum correlations across time, by delaying the measurement of one of the coexisting entangled particles; but Eli Megidish and his collaborators were the first to show entanglement between photons whose lifespans did not overlap at all.

Seriously, what the fucking fuck.

And it gets weirder:

What on Earth can this mean? Prima facie, it seems as troubling as saying that the polarity of starlight in the far-distant past – say, greater than twice Earth’s lifetime – nevertheless influenced the polarity of starlight falling through your amateur telescope this winter. Even more bizarrely: maybe it implies that the measurements carried out by your eye upon starlight falling through your telescope this winter somehow dictated the polarity of photons more than 9 billion years old.

Lest this scenario strike you as too outlandish, Megidish and his colleagues can’t resist speculating on possible and rather spooky interpretations of their results. Perhaps the measurement of photon 1’s polarisation at step II somehow steers the future polarisation of 4, or the measurement of photon 4’s polarisation at step V somehow rewrites the past polarisation state of photon 1. In both forward and backward directions, quantum correlations span the causal void between the death of one photon and the birth of the other.

 

[Dak]

Would you like to parse practical application or meaning?

Edit: I've recently been arguing with my youngest brother he's been trying to reduce the hard problem of consciousness to irrelevance by saying "physics!", but I don't want to just say "quantum physics!" as a rebuttal.

 

[Einherjar86]

Haha, I'm not sure I can!

 

[Einherjar86]

I've recently been arguing with my youngest brother he's been trying to reduce the hard problem of consciousness to irrelevance by saying "physics!", but I don't want to just say "quantum physics!" as a rebuttal.

By appealing to physics, would he be trying to explain away the phenomenon of consciousness? That's my impression, but I don't want to presume.

I also still don't fully comprehend the quantum physics position on consciousness (I'm sure there's more than one). It's not as simple as reducing it to conscious observation, since "observation" in quantum physics means more than conscious perception.

 

[Dak]

By appealing to physics, would he be trying to explain away the phenomenon of consciousness? That's my impression, but I don't want to presume.

I also still don't fully comprehend the quantum physics position on consciousness (I'm sure there's more than one). It's not as simple as reducing it to conscious observation, since "observation" in quantum physics means more than conscious perception.

Yeah, he's being a material reductionist determinist and acting like no smart people have ever worked on this complicated problem. He's just about to turn 18 so ya know.....

 

[Dak]

http://reallifemag.com/model-citizens/

@Einherjar86 I imagine you will enjoy reading this. It was something to think about for me, because citysims are one of the game types I have enjoyed, although I always enjoy the earlier stages than the latter. At some point a city sprawls enough to stop being enjoyably manageable. This is probably one of the reasons why I liked "Banished" over larger sims like SimCity or Cities: Skylines (although I do really like Skylines).

 

[rms]

Would you like to parse practical application or meaning?

Edit: I've recently been arguing with my youngest brother he's been trying to reduce the hard problem of consciousness to irrelevance by saying "physics!", but I don't want to just say "quantum physics!" as a rebuttal.

are you sam harris and your younger brother lawrence krauss?

 

[Einherjar86]

http://reallifemag.com/model-citizens/

@Einherjar86 I imagine you will enjoy reading this. It was something to think about for me, because citysims are one of the game types I have enjoyed, although I always enjoy the earlier stages than the latter. At some point a city sprawls enough to stop being enjoyably manageable. This is probably one of the reasons why I liked "Banished" over larger sims like SimCity or Cities: Skylines (although I do really like Skylines).

Interesting. I only read the first couple paragraphs, have to finish it later today or tomorrow. Opening lines and the emboldened passage look good though...

 

[Dak]

http://sciphijournal.org/why-the-culture-wins-an-appreciation-of-iain-m-banks/

This captures a lot of the issues I have with modernity, SJW topics, etc. etc.

Human beings have spent much of their lives lamenting “the curse of Adam,” and yet work provides most people with their primary sense of meaning and achievement in life. So what happens when work disappears, turning everything into a hobby? A hobby is fun. Many people spend a great deal of time trying to escape work, so they can spend more time on their hobbies. But while they may be fun, hobbies are also at some level always frivolous. They cannot give meaning to a life, precisely because they are optional. You could just stop doing it, and nothing would change, it would make no difference, which is to say, it wouldn’t matter.

Now consider the choices that people have in the Culture. You can be male or female, or anything in between (indeed, many Culture citizens alternate, and it’s considered slightly outré to be strongly gender-identified). You can live as long as you like. You can acquire any appearance, or any set of skills. You can alter your physiology or brain chemistry at will, learn anything you like.

Given all these options, how do you choose? More fundamentally, who are you? What is it that creates your identity, or that makes you distinctive? If we reflect upon our own lives, the significant choices we have made were all in important ways informed by the constraints we are subject to, the hand that we were dealt: our natural talents, our gender, the country that we were born in. Once the constraints are gone, what basis is there for choosing one path over another?

This is the problem that existentialist writers, like Albert Camus, grappled with. The paradox of freedom is that it deprives choice of all meaningfulness. The answer that Camus recommended was absurdism – simply embracing the paradox. Few have followed him on this path. Sociologically, there are generally two ways in which citizens of modern societies resolve the crisis of meaning. The first is by choosing to embrace a traditional identity – call this “neotraditionalism” – celebrating the supposed authenticity of an ascriptive category. Most religious fundamentalism has this structure, but it also takes more benign forms, such as the suburban American who rediscovers his Celtic heritage, names his child Cahal or Aidan, and takes up residence at the local Irish pub. The other option is moral affirmation of freedom itself, as the sole meaningful value. This is often accompanied by a proselytizing desire to bring freedom to others.17

 

[Einherjar86]

http://sciphijournal.org/why-the-culture-wins-an-appreciation-of-iain-m-banks/

This captures a lot of the issues I have with modernity, SJW topics, etc. etc.

I haven't had time to go through this whole thing--it's long. But already I spot some suspicious claims.

Human beings have spent much of their lives lamenting “the curse of Adam,” and yet work provides most people with their primary sense of meaning and achievement in life.

Who says? I know plenty of people who would say that they feel more themselves when practicing their hobbies...

The Chinese, it may be recalled, undertook several major sea voyages to Africa in the 15th century. They left no lasting impact upon the continent, because upon arrival, having found nothing of interest to them, they simply turned around and went home. Europeans, by contrast, while primarily focused on navigating around the continent, brought along with them priests, who noticed millions of souls in need of salvation. And so they set up shop.

Europeans didn't set up shop in Africa because their priests noticed souls that needed saving. They set up shop (in South Africa, mind you) because it marked a strategic geographical position during the height of the spice trade. Religious conversion was mostly a smokescreen for geopolitical motivations.

Compared to the other “visionary” writers working at the time – William Gibson, Neal Stephenson – Banks is underappreciated. This is because Gibson and Stephenson in certain ways anticipated the evolution of technology, and considered what the world would look like as transformed by “cyberspace.” Both were crucial in helping us to understand that the real technological revolution occurring in our society was not mechanical, but involved the collection, transmission and processing of information.

Banks, by contrast, imagined a future transformed by the evolution of culture first and foremost, and by technology only secondarily.

What is culture without technology? This distinction makes no sense to me.

Also, Banks has said that

You can't escape the fact that humanity is a technological species, homo technophile or whatever the Latin is. Technology is neither good or bad, it's up to the user. We can't escape what we are, which is a technological species. There's no way back.

https://www.spikemagazine.com/0996bank.php

 

[CiG]

Who says? I know plenty of people who would say that they feel more themselves when practicing their hobbies...

It's probably more accurate to say that work itself is the means with which people fund their attempt to find meaning and achievement. If your greatest achievement is in creating a family with a woman you love, you did that through work by earning money to use to build a house, feed your kids and so on. Same with hobbies, can't really enjoy your hobbies if you're broke, unemployed and/or homeless.

That said, the original claim said "most" and so in that sense, your counter claim of a few people who don't doesn't exactly debunk the claim.

 

[Einherjar86]

It's probably more accurate to say that work itself is the means with which people fund their attempt to find meaning and achievement. If your greatest achievement is in creating a family with a woman you love, you did that through work by earning money to use to build a house, feed your kids and so on. Same with hobbies, can't really enjoy your hobbies if you're broke, unemployed and/or homeless.

What this reveals to me is that "work" is little more than a meaningless, functional operation that supports the more meaningful practices of life. It isn't work itself that's meaningful, but the truly enjoyable practices made possible by work.

Additionally, I'd say that if one were broke and unable to find work, then personal hobbies might be the most enjoyable thing one could do...

That said, the original claim said "most" and so in that sense, your counter claim of a few people who don't doesn't exactly debunk the claim.

That's totally fair, but the original piece offered no substantial evidence that most people find existential meaning in their primary source of income. It was offered as an axiomatic, and I'm questioning that axiomatic.