digidesign eleven rack
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DeclanWhite
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for some reason i thought you'd ask this sooner or later. to me, it seems no better than what you do now. kinda sus that they dont have sound samples anywhere...
from the very few videos i can find of it, it sounds really awesome
maybe better than pod farmer for the rock / blues / country stuff
also, all the guitars on the last motley crue album were done with it
also sounds pretty rad.
Ermz
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Joey, have you considered getting your guitars reamped by one of the many folks offering the service rather affordably these days?
Jind
Grrrr!!! (I'm a bear)
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This is Joey you are asking. I tend to think of Joey as very control centric - not one to pass off something he is working on to someone else to get the sound he has in his head. Just an observation - could be wrong, but only one man can answer that. Joey?
i don't think i'd ever do it because i never hear any guitar tones i like on here
i had ryan harvey do some test reamping for me
all i could come up with was... its too much this or that, and corrections to the tone were too less of this or that
i mean, it would take probably a week of doing that with me to even like it
worked with another producer another time, also didn't like the guitar tones he was pulling
neither did the band, they had me re-amp through my tone...
so with real amps thrown out the window, what do we think of this eleven rack thing, cuz i want to buy one!
i had ryan harvey do some test reamping for me
all i could come up with was... its too much this or that, and corrections to the tone were too less of this or that
i mean, it would take probably a week of doing that with me to even like it
worked with another producer another time, also didn't like the guitar tones he was pulling
neither did the band, they had me re-amp through my tone...
so with real amps thrown out the window, what do we think of this eleven rack thing, cuz i want to buy one!
Jarkko Mattheiszen
The FU guy.
yeah, read into the flaws and faults and the fact that its actually impulse based, and ran away
if i had good credit, i'd buy one and just demo it, and then return it if i didnt like it or something
but i can't really do that
... and not that have i have anything against impulse based stuff.... just at the time wasn't attractive
::XeS::
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I'm with Joey about the reamping. I mean, I was never happy when someone else reamp a song for me, not because they suck but because I had no control on the tone I wanted. It's a different thing if you reamp the sound you recorded because at the end it doesn't fit well in the mix.
PhilTheBeard
"The Beard"
My store should be getting one in soon and ill probably take it home and demo it. so if i get to do that anytime soon ill put some clips up of it.
Ermz
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Sure, it's hard to let go of control, which sort of leads to my next question... Why not take this opportunity to just grab a killer head and cab and take your guitar tones to the next level? Surely the greater potential to get pedantic with mic placement for tonal change is somewhat enticing? If you're going to make an upgrade, why not just take it all the way?
I know it's all a bit irrelevant and you're looking for a different thing, but I figure since I've taken on the mantle as resident analogue purist, might as well play devil's advocate for a while longer while the other kind folks are actually giving you relevant information
I know it's all a bit irrelevant and you're looking for a different thing, but I figure since I've taken on the mantle as resident analogue purist, might as well play devil's advocate for a while longer while the other kind folks are actually giving you relevant information
ParsonsMatt
Alas, Tyranny
Sure, it's hard to let go of control, which sort of leads to my next question... Why not take this opportunity to just grab a killer head and cab and take your guitar tones to the next level? Surely the greater potential to get pedantic with mic placement for tonal change is somewhat enticing? If you're going to make an upgrade, why not just take it all the way?
I know it's all a bit irrelevant and you're looking for a different thing, but I figure since I've taken on the mantle as resident analogue purist, might as well play devil's advocate for a while longer while the other kind folks are actually giving you relevant information
even if i ever did use some amps
i believe the way i'd do it is track everything in pod farm
and reamp all at the end
i know when something's wrong in my tone, like when there's an extra string vibrating when it shouldnt be, etc. etc.
i've heard other people's tone hide that (and all miss out on a lot of what my tone has), and then hear the di only to be shocked...
but then you have that whole, "it wasnt reacted to" factor
as in, when you play through a mesa, and hear a mesa, you react to it
same with any "sound" or "tone"
so reamping, for me, is sort of one of those things to make more bigger picture changes like... this part sounds great, but it needs a tube screamer to cut some bass and overdrive the pre
not to make a whole new tone all together...
i bought recab and demo'd the impulses
didnt quite like some of the results, there was some weird inconsistencies
found out that every impulse loader makes them sound different
from there, i jumped off the bus.
I wouldn't make a habit of jumping of buses, that's a dangerous game.
But from what I've heard and seen of it, it seems like a pretty decent unit for more mainstream type rock and whatever, but from what I've heard of the heavier stuff it falls short. At the same time though, you never know if it will work for you unless you yourself use it
But from what I've heard and seen of it, it seems like a pretty decent unit for more mainstream type rock and whatever, but from what I've heard of the heavier stuff it falls short. At the same time though, you never know if it will work for you unless you yourself use it
Ermz
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Totally. I wouldn't have suggested any other way. You're obviously comfortable with the feedback and convenience of dialing tones with the Line 6 gear. The reamping process is simply a way to take those initial ideas one step further.
I mean ultimately you'd be doing even less processing once you refined your mic and dialing technique on the amp. There are so many more possibilities with real gear, you would get much closer to the final picture, much quicker, and most importantly: using less EQ to get there.
But yes it's a valid point that the 'amp feedback' isn't the same to the player. The line 6 stuff in particular feels super fake and may not translate well to a real amp. Conversely to what you said before, it may in effect be the line 6 stuff hiding aspects of the playing that you track, which causes it not to react well to a real amplifier upon reamping? I respect that you can hear through its tone how well the player is performing, but maybe the reason the reamps suffer is because they aren't playing sufficiently well enough to cut it through a Recto (one of the most 'honest' amps out there)?
I've found that the reamping process ultimately always seems to sort out the wheat from the chaff. The players who dig in and define their performance will sound great via anything, whereas others will muddle through and attempt to hide their playing with the tone. The PODs have traditionally been excellent for this.
