Agreed, but how else do little children get into metal. when i was thirteen or fourteen, the first black metal id heard were Cradle of filth and dimmu borgir, because they are quite mainstream, i fucking loved them. but then i found myself wanted harder heavier music and so discovered bands like morbid angel, borknagar, my dying bride, necrophagia etc. what im saying is i think dimmu are still good, and along with bands like cradle are a good way for kids to make the transition from listening to cock rock into the darker world of metal, and then discover great bands. and anyway i still listen to dimmu, its kinda nostalgic, and im 19 now!!!