Disappointing news regarding Mickey/Mouse Saxon
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I don't know shit about the legal system in UK, but let me understand something:
a) Biff and Paul joint Steve and Oliver to form S. O. B and then they change the name, who recorded the property of the name initially?
b) Taking 1979 as starting point, Steve left the band in 1986 (7 years), so what claims of rights can he have, against let say Nibbs Carter who has been on the band the past 12 years?
c) Steve didn't mind the name property after he left, only when Oliver left the shit started, isn't it?
No matter what we're going to follow Biff and the band 'To Hell And Back Again'
a) Biff and Paul joint Steve and Oliver to form S. O. B and then they change the name, who recorded the property of the name initially?
b) Taking 1979 as starting point, Steve left the band in 1986 (7 years), so what claims of rights can he have, against let say Nibbs Carter who has been on the band the past 12 years?
c) Steve didn't mind the name property after he left, only when Oliver left the shit started, isn't it?
No matter what we're going to follow Biff and the band 'To Hell And Back Again'
Paxoman
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Saracen84 - There is nothing wrong with you expressing your opinion. Now f**k off back to the mickey mouse website! 
Only joking!
I have said before that I am sure that Biff is less then whiter then white in all this. But this judgement really does stink and makes no sense at all. If Saxon had split up and then Biff/Paul and Oliver/Dawson had set up their own 'Saxon', then both parties would have every right to call their band Saxon. But seeing as Steve Dawson, and then Graham Oliver both left Saxon (and had no connection at all with the band for a number of years), what right do they have to call themselves Saxon now? I mean, why don't I set up a band and call it Paxo's Motorhead?!!
Oliver/Dawson got together and reformed Son of a bitch (which they were both in BEFORE Biff/Paul joined), so why not stick with that name? After all, that was THEIR band. But they didn't because they wern't getting anywhere, so they thought they would leach off the Saxon name.
It is fair enough to say that all true Saxon fans know who is who, so we should just ignore O/D Saxon. But that is missing the point completely. Other rock fans DON'T know and are being misled. And the singer in O/D Saxon is so poor, that it kills me to think that rock fans are seeing O/D Saxon and thinking that they are watching one of the great names in heavy metal gone shit! But Saxon HAVEN'T gone shit, they are better then ever. O/D are just killing the Saxon name, dragging it through the mud. I'm sorry but that just isn't right.
'OD Saxon played in Hull last wednesday and in our local newspaper they were down as 'Legendary Rockers Saxon'
That is why this ruling is a total farce.
No true Saxon fan will have anything to do with O/D now, which in a way is sad. But they have brought it on themselves. As Saracen84 rightly said, as Saxon fans we should follow all members of Saxon past and present. But that is never going to happen with O/D now. It would have happened though, if they had stuck with the SOB name.
Whatever Biff has done to Steve Dawson and Graham Oliver, it doesn't outweigh what Steve Dawson and Graham Oliver have done to the name of Saxon. And to me, a Saxon fan for 22 years, that is unforgivable.
Only joking!I have said before that I am sure that Biff is less then whiter then white in all this. But this judgement really does stink and makes no sense at all. If Saxon had split up and then Biff/Paul and Oliver/Dawson had set up their own 'Saxon', then both parties would have every right to call their band Saxon. But seeing as Steve Dawson, and then Graham Oliver both left Saxon (and had no connection at all with the band for a number of years), what right do they have to call themselves Saxon now? I mean, why don't I set up a band and call it Paxo's Motorhead?!!
Oliver/Dawson got together and reformed Son of a bitch (which they were both in BEFORE Biff/Paul joined), so why not stick with that name? After all, that was THEIR band. But they didn't because they wern't getting anywhere, so they thought they would leach off the Saxon name.
It is fair enough to say that all true Saxon fans know who is who, so we should just ignore O/D Saxon. But that is missing the point completely. Other rock fans DON'T know and are being misled. And the singer in O/D Saxon is so poor, that it kills me to think that rock fans are seeing O/D Saxon and thinking that they are watching one of the great names in heavy metal gone shit! But Saxon HAVEN'T gone shit, they are better then ever. O/D are just killing the Saxon name, dragging it through the mud. I'm sorry but that just isn't right.
'OD Saxon played in Hull last wednesday and in our local newspaper they were down as 'Legendary Rockers Saxon'
That is why this ruling is a total farce.
No true Saxon fan will have anything to do with O/D now, which in a way is sad. But they have brought it on themselves. As Saracen84 rightly said, as Saxon fans we should follow all members of Saxon past and present. But that is never going to happen with O/D now. It would have happened though, if they had stuck with the SOB name.
Whatever Biff has done to Steve Dawson and Graham Oliver, it doesn't outweigh what Steve Dawson and Graham Oliver have done to the name of Saxon. And to me, a Saxon fan for 22 years, that is unforgivable.
Twisted Tony
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Quote from Paxoman:
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"Whatever Biff has done to Steve Dawson and Graham Oliver, it doesn't outweigh what Steve Dawson and Graham Oliver have done to the name of Saxon. And to me, a Saxon fan for 22 years, that is unforgivable."
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You hit the nail right on the head!
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"Whatever Biff has done to Steve Dawson and Graham Oliver, it doesn't outweigh what Steve Dawson and Graham Oliver have done to the name of Saxon. And to me, a Saxon fan for 22 years, that is unforgivable."
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You hit the nail right on the head!
Black Lagoon
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Nice post Pax. Think what you said is absolutly spot on.
Olly and Dobby were sacked or left the band ages ago. They then tried out the Son of a Bitch thing which I thought wasn't to bad.
It seems to me that because this flopped they made a play for the Saxon name and only because of this.
And thats what sucks. If they had made a play for the name WHEN they left Saxon it would be fair enough as they were a big part of the band and they were original members, but they didn't, so please guys piss off and go under Son of a Bitch again.
If they were still playing under the Son of a Bitch name now I'd be going to see them and buying there records, but I have now lost all respect for them.
As regards to the solo albums......Ollys End of an Era isn't to bad at all, but Dobby's Pandimonium Circus is fuckin' awful!! It really should go in the "Do not touch with a barge poll" bins. And this album comes from the man who said that Saxon are now playing "Chicken in a basket rock". Or did he really mean Mickey/Mouse Saxon???
Olly and Dobby were sacked or left the band ages ago. They then tried out the Son of a Bitch thing which I thought wasn't to bad.
It seems to me that because this flopped they made a play for the Saxon name and only because of this.
And thats what sucks. If they had made a play for the name WHEN they left Saxon it would be fair enough as they were a big part of the band and they were original members, but they didn't, so please guys piss off and go under Son of a Bitch again.
If they were still playing under the Son of a Bitch name now I'd be going to see them and buying there records, but I have now lost all respect for them.
As regards to the solo albums......Ollys End of an Era isn't to bad at all, but Dobby's Pandimonium Circus is fuckin' awful!! It really should go in the "Do not touch with a barge poll" bins. And this album comes from the man who said that Saxon are now playing "Chicken in a basket rock". Or did he really mean Mickey/Mouse Saxon???
Paxoman
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I wondered that myself. I couldn't find anything written by you that said "well done," Paxoman.
Weird.
Weird.
PAX LOVE M/M SAXON . HAVE YOU SEEN THE WEB SITE,IT WORRIES ME THAT PEOPLE YHINK THAT THEY ARE ANY GOOD AT ALL. . MAY BE M/M SAXON SHOULD PLAY THE ASTORIA. WELL THE BOX OFFICE AT LEAST AT LEAST PAX WOULD BE ABLE TO GET CLOSE TO HIS BESTEST BAND IN THHE WORLD ONLY KIDDING. OH BY THE SOIL 
AND I HAVE LISTEN TO THE D ALBUM AND WELL NOT YET CONVINCED BUT I TRUST YOURS AND THE OTHERS COMMENTS SO I SHALL STICK AT IT.
Paxoman
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I AM INNOCENT! Crusader defend yourself against these nasty lies that you make! I am have been called many things, but being called an O/D Saxon fan is by far the worst!
Paxoman
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Yes, please, Crusader... give us a quote of the offending comments! I don't even know Paxoman (I'm way over here in the U.S.) and I'm willing to vouch for his character.
Black Lagoon
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Paxoman
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Ahhh your just jealous Lagoon! Just cos your wife will only dress up as Dobbo!
Cheers by the way jmillion. I thought I was going mad (well madder!) for a minute there!
Cheers by the way jmillion. I thought I was going mad (well madder!) for a minute there!
Crusader
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c'mon pax, it is someone that has the name Paxoman at the comment section below the article and almost at the bottom of replies there it is! And I wasn't serious about it just wanted to see your reaction, but the reply exists and it's not me, i promise!!!
Crusader sure can't be all bad! He's listening to my Metal SHOUTcast!!!!!!
I honestly didn't see Paxoman's comment... I could tell Crusader was joking around so I didn't know if there was anything actually there. Where is it?
I honestly didn't see Paxoman's comment... I could tell Crusader was joking around so I didn't know if there was anything actually there. Where is it?
Crusader
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The post is the forth post counted from bottom:
COMMENT | O/D SAXON WELL DONE
posted by: paxoman ;-)
11/28/2002 7:07:13 AM
I agree with you "biff sux" it is true that oliver and dawson foundered SOB in the first place and then brought in biff and quiff oops quinn, later when they got signed they changed the name to saxon so it really does belong to Oliver and Dawson. Well done guys you got your reward in the end.
I'd just copied the "well done... posted by Pax..." It's just the o/d well done that bothered me, don't get mad at me
READ HERE!!!
COMMENT | O/D SAXON WELL DONE
posted by: paxoman ;-)
11/28/2002 7:07:13 AM
I agree with you "biff sux" it is true that oliver and dawson foundered SOB in the first place and then brought in biff and quiff oops quinn, later when they got signed they changed the name to saxon so it really does belong to Oliver and Dawson. Well done guys you got your reward in the end.
I'd just copied the "well done... posted by Pax..." It's just the o/d well done that bothered me, don't get mad at me
READ HERE!!!
Okay! That makes sense now...
Paxoman was just replying to the above message with the same subject, it seems!
It was enough to keep me occupied this morning.
Paxoman was just replying to the above message with the same subject, it seems!
It was enough to keep me occupied this morning.
