Do you smoke? Yes? You're fired.

Argument being that these individuals have a choice. It's a simple choice. Quit smoking or find another job.

But according to the story, the four workers left of their own accord, so they have no grounds to sue. The only way this will go to court is if the ACLU steps in or some worker's union. And so far, no legal action has been taken.

You can be sure many companies are eyeballing Weyco right now, curious to see if this smoking ban sticks.
 
I'm so sick of all these frivolous lawsuits. I heard a story the other day. A man gambled away a couple million. He is now suing the casino for not stopping him.
 
jimbobhickville said:
The laws in the US say that if you provide health care to your employees, it has to be at the same cost for every person. The total cost of everyone is split evenly among all employees, contingent only upon the number of insured individuals on their policy. So, get a few smokers on there whose insurance rates are significantly higher, and everyone's rates go up. I bet the move is saving company and the employees boatloads of cash.
Wow, interesting - I did not know that. I honestly thought it was on a case by case basis, so if you were a smoker, ONLY you would have to pay more. Instead, everyone gets 'penalized'.

Yes, then even I have to say, this changes quite a bit. Having only non-smokers work for you certainly seems to be a lot more economic than having to make lay-offs. I guess it depends on how much is being saved.
 
what is more interesting ... I read in the NY Times a few months ago is that they are now blaming the weight problem in the US over the last 10-15 years on the fact that people have quit smoking.

which is true, as I myself have gained about 40-50 pounds since I quit cigarettes.
 
oh yeah ... and it is Friday NAD !!! :D

current event thread ... right on schedule !!!
 
lurch70 said:
oh yeah ... and it is Friday NAD !!! :D

current event thread ... right on schedule !!!
I actually started this thread last night thankyouverymuch. :p Then again I treated last night like a Friday, drinking beer and staying up until 3am. At least I'm consistent.
 
unhinged said:
er... probably not

a cow maybe?

That's what the "etc." is for. They can kill cows, goats, pigs, dogs, whatever on TV. It's not going to make people stop eating beef or any other kind of meat. The basic message is to not eat animals, doesn't really matter what they're killing.
 
Well, it's spreading slowly but surely. Now companies will follow Union Pacific in that companies will simply refuse to hire smokers. And still, no lawsuits. Mainly because the smokers don't have much ground to stand on.

Here's an article from a Houston paper:
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A Michigan company's decision to dismiss workers who smoke, even if it's on their own time, has privacy and workers' rights advocates alarmed and is raising concerns about whether pizza and six-packs are the next to go.

Weyco, an Okemos-based medical benefits administrator, said its offer of smoking cessation classes and support groups helped 18 to 20 of the company's smokers quit over the past 15 months.

But four others who couldn't — or wouldn't — no longer had jobs on Jan. 1.

"We had told them they had a choice," said Weyco Chief Financial Officer Gary Climes. "We're not saying you can't smoke in your home. We just say you can't smoke and work here."

Such policies basically say employers can tell workers how to live their lives even in the privacy of their own homes, something they have no business doing, said Lewis Maltby, president of The National Workrights Institute in Princeton, N.J., a part of the American Civil Liberties Union until 2000.

"If a company said, 'We're going to cut down on our health care costs by forbidding anyone from eating at McDonald's,' they could do it," he said. "There are a thousand things about people's private lives that employers don't like for a thousand different reasons."

Some companies, while not going as far as Weyco, are trying to lower their health care costs by refusing to hire smokers.

Omaha, Neb.-based Union Pacific Corp. began rejecting smokers' applications in Texas, Idaho, Tennessee, Arkansas, Washington state, Arizona and parts of Kansas and Nebraska last year, and it hopes to add more states.

Public affairs director John Bromley said the company estimates it will save $922 annually for each position it fills with a nonsmoker over one who smokes. It hired 5,500 new workers last year and plans to hire 700 this year. About a quarter of the company's 48,000 employees now smoke, and Bromley said it's clear they cost the company more money.

"It's no secret that people who smoke have more health issues than nonsmokers," he said, but safety records show that people who smoke also have higher accident rates.

On Jan. 1, Kalamazoo Valley Community College stopped hiring smokers for full-time positions at both its campuses.

Twenty-eight states and the District of Columbia protect workers who smoke, saying they can't be discriminated against for that reason. Texas isn't one of those states.

Michigan doesn't have such a law, but state Sen. Virg Bernero has taken up the cause of the former Weyco workers. He plans to introduce a bill banning Michigan employers from firing or refusing to hire workers for legal activities they enjoy on their own time that don't impinge on their work.

Weyco President Howard Weyers thinks Bernero is on the wrong side, noting that Weyco reimburses workers for a portion of health club costs, pays them bonuses for meeting fitness goals and offers fitness classes and a walking trail at its Okemos office.

Chris Boyd said she considered the no-smoking policy drastic when it was first announced. But she signed up for a smoking cessation group a few months later. "I wasn't about to put smoking ahead of my job," said Boyd, 37, of Haslett, Mich. She said she probably wouldn't have been able to quit if not for the new policy.
 
J. said:
"If a company said, 'We're going to cut down on our health care costs by forbidding anyone from eating at McDonald's,' they could do it," he said. "There are a thousand things about people's private lives that employers don't like for a thousand different reasons."

That's the scary part.

Overweight people are prone to heart disease. People who drink heavilly will suffer from permanent liver damage. All this will raise benefits costs.

You can keep going and going, but where do you draw the line?
 
Well it's no surprise really. Just look at life insurance. When I applied for my policy, they asked me how many drinks a week I have, if I smoke, how much I weigh, etc., and they base their approval on whether or not I'm worth a certain amount of money.

Does this mean that life insurance should cost the same for a smoker and non-smoker? You see, it's not out of the question for companies to look after the well being of their employees. Now I don't agree with firing an employee for this stuff, but I don't think it's ridiculous to ask him/her to get healthy or exercise more. It's fact that unhealthy people cost a company (and its employees) more money than healthy people.

Now is what's going to happen is you'll have all these cmpanies interviewing for certain positions, and if a candidate smokes, he/she will be out of the running. All the company has to say is "We found a more qualified individual." Done deal.