Can the music of a bands with heavey political veiws affect the thinkings of the people that listen to it?
Does music affect political and non-political views?
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schenkadere
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Hawng said:
I think so...especially in seeing the reactions by people here on these boards...people are far too affected and far too attached to things that are beyond their true reality. Look at the fascination with celebrity, for example...people actually get upset and judge and form opinions about people they will never know...this is fed by the media and music can have much the same impact. There are many examples of loonies and their reactions to lyrics or the break up of bands...those are extreme but the influence can also be more subtle.
I know whats your saying. Its funny, if you talk ( argue) with those people from the nevermore board they are totaly against the goverment. I dont think it would matter if Kerry won the elections, they would still bitch about what ever, now check this out....schenkadere said:
Oblivious Maximus
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In some ways. I love MOD for the music, but also agree with Billy's politics. Btu then again, I've had those views long before I discoved MOD. Plus you gotta remember, a lot of racists listen to music that express their views, like Johnny Rebel.
Oblivious Maximus
I am the worm
Another thing, we cannot forget about the 90's black metal scene. All the church burnings and such.
It all depends on the listener, of course.
I still love the "Speak English" record although I find the lyrics to be total crap...at the end of the day, it's always the actual music which moves me. Heck, you can sing in about fried chicken and it wouldn't matter if the music kicked ass!
I still love the "Speak English" record although I find the lyrics to be total crap...at the end of the day, it's always the actual music which moves me. Heck, you can sing in about fried chicken and it wouldn't matter if the music kicked ass!
Jenna_Bush
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schenkadere
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Skeckz said:
Our fathers left us nothing?...nothing but the privlege of living in the world's greatest nation.
johnnieCzech
Your favourite Czech
I usually don't give a shit, I listen to music for the music - even though the message in lyrics, when there's one, is kind of important to me.
SueNC
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i listen to music as a whole. i study the lyrics, but if i dont agree with what's being said... so be it. i can appreciate the artist's right to their views, even if it doesnt mirror my own.
for instance, i'm a HUGE Corrosion of Conformity fan. they're pretty anti-government.
i've expressed my support for Bush at their fan forum and have actually been told by some of the posters there [including the wife of the bassist] that i shouldnt be a COC fan if i'm a supporter of Bush!
i find that mentality to be outright IGNORANT!
for instance, i'm a HUGE Corrosion of Conformity fan. they're pretty anti-government.
i've expressed my support for Bush at their fan forum and have actually been told by some of the posters there [including the wife of the bassist] that i shouldnt be a COC fan if i'm a supporter of Bush!
i find that mentality to be outright IGNORANT!
Jenna_Bush
My Dad rulz ur Dad
You hit the nail right on the head Sue...and i can't believe the ppl on the COC forum would say something like that to you. That is purely ignorant.
I gotta tell ya, i don't agree with a lot of what you guys say on here. I come in here because i like reading opinions that differ from mine....gives me a whole different way of looking at things. And while i don't agree some of the time, i do respect you guys opinions. Isn't that the way it should be? Sheesh.
I gotta tell ya, i don't agree with a lot of what you guys say on here. I come in here because i like reading opinions that differ from mine....gives me a whole different way of looking at things. And while i don't agree some of the time, i do respect you guys opinions. Isn't that the way it should be? Sheesh.
Yes I do, the general public as a whole views this as progress. People like Warrel Dane write songs based on his feelings about the goverment. Like Inside four Walls....Where Warrels buddy got locked up for selling weed or some shit....Skeckz said:
Now why did Warrle Danes friend get locked up? He broke the law. If you dont follow the law, the goverment will punish you for your crimes. The law is created for people who comitt the crimes. For years there were no laws against Beastiality in Washington state. Now it took Lord Galatrons boy friend , Barry, taking a horse dick up his ass, getting his colon tore up and dying from it for them to create a law against it. Now all the homo horse fuckers are going to be outraged and say shit like it is their right to screw horses and that the goverment is bad.
How about this for a senerio,
John Does friend, Jim sold a shit load of weed to a bunch of distributers that were pushing that shit at playgrounds and school, selling to minors. Now Johns freind, Jim didnt know that the weed was being sold at schools, lets say he didnt care where they sold it as long as he was getting paid. The police find out about it. They want to big guys who is moving the weight. so after investigating for a while the have enough evidence to bust Jim.
After going to court, by a trial judged by his peers, Jim is found guilty of operating a criminal enterprise, possesion with intent to distribute, and a slew of other charges. He is sent to prision for 20 years no parole.
Does Jim Deserve what he got?
Skeckz
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Hawng said:
Well yes, in a way, but I don't think that's the point of the song. There is a speaking part in Inside Four Walls that goes: "It's a cold fact that in the United States of America, typically drug offenders do more time than child molesters, rapists, and murderers. Is this justice? Is this the American way?"
Does Dane have a point? Yes.
From Wikipedia:
A study made by the U.S. Department of Justice of prison releases in 1992, involving about 80 percent of the prison population, found that the average sentence for convicted rapists was 9.8 years, while the actual time served was 5.4 years. This follows the typical pattern for violent crimes in the US, where those convicted typically serve no more than half of their sentence.
In 1996, 59.6% of prisoners were drug-related criminals. U.S. population grew by about +25% from 1980 to 2000. In that same 20 year time period, U.S. prison population tripled. To make room in prison for incoming drug users and dealers, all inmates, including violent criminals are having their sentences shortened or are being paroled early.
In the U.S., the penalty for illegal drug possession and sale can vary from 1 year to a life sentence. Most non-violent first time offenders guilty of drug possession get a mandatory minimum sentence of 5 years with no parole, or 10 years with no parole if he has a large quantity of drugs. This prison time is doubled (10 or 20 years) if has been imprisoned for drug possession before.
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schenkadere
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say10
Cumming for the Devil
It depends on the person. Myself, I don't agree with alot of things Billy(among other artists, but since this is his board, I'll use his) says, However, I don't believe he is a racist or bigot as some people claim. He's an outspoken individual who happens to be very opinionated, which I love. Its a very rare trait to have this day and age. I probably don't agree with 75% of his political views, but like I said, thats not why I come here.
You see some assholes who listen to Rage or System who start spouting off about Bush, just because they think it makes them sound intelligent or well informed, but you can always see right through jerks like that anyway. If you don't like Bush, then fine( I happen to think he's just above being sweetly retarded). But don't base it off some toolbag who sounds like he's yodeling over distorted guitars or hiding behind an effects rack.
You see some assholes who listen to Rage or System who start spouting off about Bush, just because they think it makes them sound intelligent or well informed, but you can always see right through jerks like that anyway. If you don't like Bush, then fine( I happen to think he's just above being sweetly retarded). But don't base it off some toolbag who sounds like he's yodeling over distorted guitars or hiding behind an effects rack.
schenkadere
Obey my dog!
say10 said:
Yeah...I think many people just cop their political views from bands and such because they aren't very well informed...it's a matter of being lazy and being easily molded.
johnnieCzech
Your favourite Czech
For instance, I like RATM and some of their lyrics (passages like "can't waste a day when a night brings a hearse" are hilarious), but whenever Tom Morello opens his mouth and starts preaching his communist shit, I have a feeling he should try living at least a few months in communist country...I used to live in one.
schenkadere
Obey my dog!
johnnieCzech said:
Good point...we have enough Bono's in the world...just speak through your music and shut the fuck up...music doesn't need to be tied to politics to give it validity.
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