Earth - Hex: Or Printing in the Infernal Method

I'm not gonna get into that circular debate cuz frankly, I dont care that much. IMHO, SunnO)) is NOT music. Not to mention it is a gimmick and an insult to everyone actually making real, honest, and passionate music. I love how Southern Lord has taken this recent marketing angle on the most grim and extreme bs.
 
I'll let Frank Zappa speak for me:

The most important thing in art is The Frame. For painting: literally; for other arts: figuratively -- because, without this humble appliance, you can't know where THE ART stops and THE REAL WORLD begins.

You have to put a 'box' around it because otherwise, what is that shit on the wall?

If John Cage, for instance, says "I'm putting a contact microphone on my throat, and I'm going to drink carrot juice, and that's my composition," then his gurgling qualifies as his composition because he put a frame around it and said so. "Take it or leave it, I now will this to be music." After that it's a matter of taste. Without the frame-as-announced, it's a guy swallowing carrot juice.

Most people can't deal with that abstraction -- or don't want to. They say: "Gimme the TUNE. Do I like this TUNE? Does it sound like ANOTHER TUNE THAT I LIKE? The more FAMILIAR it is, the BETTER I LIKE IT. Hear those three notes there? Those are the three notes I can sing along with. I like those notes very, very much. Give me a beat. Not a fancy one. It has to go boom-bap, boom-boom-BAP. If it doesn't, I will hate it very, very much. Also, I want it right away -- and then write me some more songs like that -- over and over and over again because I'm REALLY into MUSIC."
 
Erik said:
question.

if it's not actually music, how is could it be an insult to other people making music?

it's not! stop seeing it as music at all if it makes you feel better; it certainly helps in seeing its value.
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It's how they market it and the basic knee-jerk reactions. blah blah blah
 
Heh, I actually think that's sorta cool. Something to fall asleep to perhaps. Definitely establishes an atmosphere, which is the one of the only "musical" qualities I need...
 
Hex is a great album, listening to it it's impossible not to picture yourself in a desert with no signs of civilization within your proximity...nothing like SunnO)))) at all. While I agree with the argument that music can and will assume whatever form the composer wishes (consistent with my definition of art as the tangible presence of imagination), that doesn't mean it will be taken seriously or always be perceived as musical, as examples like Sunn prove...my thoughts on whether they should be classified as music appear earlier in this thread, and have been further confirmed by Black One.
 
Doomcifer said:
I'm not gonna get into that circular debate cuz frankly, I dont care that much. IMHO, SunnO)) is NOT music. Not to mention it is a gimmick and an insult to everyone actually making real, honest, and passionate music. I love how Southern Lord has taken this recent marketing angle on the most grim and extreme bs.
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Hmmm, well Sunn0)) is faaaaaaaaaarrrrrr from the first Noise or Drone artist. Its the fact that they are marketed to a Metal/Rock crowd (for some strange fucking reason) that seperates them from the rest of the noise/drone artists.

Stimbox
Merzbow
Xome
Masonna

etc. etc. Look them up if you want to be Musically insulted, as they did it far before Sunn0)))

And even before that, the mimimalists in the 60's...

Pierre Schaeffer
Karlheinz Stockhausen
Luc Ferrari
Steve Reich
Terry Riley

...many more


some of it goes back to the 40's. Musica Conqruite is the earliest "classification" for that type of music.


Point is, Sun0))) is far from some revolutionary thing that people have latched onto for shock-value.


(I fucking hate Sunn0)))...just presenting this side of the story.)


Even Jazz went through the Freeform stage, which to most is just noise, and maybe thats what it is, but its another example of sounds being used in a way that some think sounds musical...but more importantly some think gives them the same feelings as music does, by a completely different use of sound.

That bold part is the basic, important part of this whole thang.
 
Erik said:
'cause the members have been active with a bunch of doom metal bands before and after (burning witch, thorr's hammer, etc)

also sunn o))) don't sound one shit like merzbow and co
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Yea but they do sound like other Drone outfits, I don't have names off hand at the moment though :erk:
 
Erik said:
maybe boris... trollmann av ildtoppberg... also obviously the early earth stuff since sunn o))) started out since basically an earth tribute band

i dunno, i don't generally listen to stuff like that, one band more than fulfills my need for drone type shit
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Yea, makes sense.

The point was just that some think they are doing somthing very very new when really the general idea has been around for quite some time, not that that takes anything away from what they are doing.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/richpub/listmania/fullview/1P94DNZ8XM68Y/103-3964701-3941415?_encoding=UTF8
 
Erik said:
"drone music" and "drone doom" are different genres though.
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yea good point.



Well the whole point is some people like sounds used in other ways besides "normal" music.
 
So Earth are playing in Berlin in february. I'm pretty pumped about that, cause I loved this album. But where the fuck should I go with their other stuff? Another band mentioned here was Boris... where should I start with them?

:D

And I'm jealous that maren saw Sunn _)_):::::::::|) + Earth live and I didn't. :p
 
Earth has a new album coming out entitled The Bees Made Honey in the Lion's Skull and it kicks all kinds of ass.

Got it downloaded, anyone want it uploaded here?
 
Conspicuously Absent said:
So Earth are playing in Berlin in february. I'm pretty pumped about that, cause I loved this album. But where the fuck should I go with their other stuff? Another band mentioned here was Boris... where should I start with them?

:D

And I'm jealous that maren saw Sunn _)_):::::::::|) + Earth live and I didn't. :p
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Flood, Akuma No Uta, Amplifier Worship.

I've seen Boris twice and SuNn0oo))00 once, both were amazing live. I haven't listened to Sunn in over a year (really no desire to) but I would definitely jump at the chance to see them live again.
 
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