FOR FUCKS SAKE - RAW TRACKS ARE NOT "STEMS"
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It's similar to the mix/master thing. I've lately been working wiith alot of younger and inexperienced bands and they do not know the difference and even after explaining the difference both in person and in email they continue to use the terms incorrectly and it annoys the hell out of me. Especially as I'm tried to convince them to go with a seperate mastering engineer. I get the vibe that they think I'm trying to short change them by getting them to pay extra for a service they don't need.
Mistakes in terms need to be addressed and explained as they're not really acceptable. They don't mean the same thing so they can not be interchangeable. Simple as
Mistakes in terms need to be addressed and explained as they're not really acceptable. They don't mean the same thing so they can not be interchangeable. Simple as
Sloan
Sounds like shit!
Virgil.
¯\(°_o)/¯
Mago
Austrian Blech Machine
tho I think I've also seen the rockband stems beeing called rockband multitracks, iirc...tho those aren't grouped BUT processed lol
if one is too lazy to write "raw tracks" then I seriously doubt that he's patient enough to sit on a mix and make it sound awesome
LeSedna
Mat or Mateo
I thought of this thread today cause Reaper does clearly have a bounce "Stems" function
BTW if you have raw guitars, and you want someone to give you stems of the song, do you call that guitar file "raw stems" ? discuss
BTW if you have raw guitars, and you want someone to give you stems of the song, do you call that guitar file "raw stems" ? discuss
Jarkko Mattheiszen
The FU guy.
I thought of this thread today cause Reaper does clearly have a bounce "Stems" function
BTW if you have raw guitars, and you want someone to give you stems of the song, do you call that guitar file "raw stems" ? discuss
I don't think I understand your question.
MEGA DAVE
Member
I agree with all this... and the misuse of terminology has gotten me confused as some guys doing bigger clients say shit wrong.
just one question, as I always see this said differently. by everybody. am I correct when I say 'double tracking guitars' is two tracks left, two tracks right? cuz that's the impression I've always been under, but now I'm seeing a LOT of people saying double tracking is just one per side? so wtf is it called properly...
just one question, as I always see this said differently. by everybody. am I correct when I say 'double tracking guitars' is two tracks left, two tracks right? cuz that's the impression I've always been under, but now I'm seeing a LOT of people saying double tracking is just one per side? so wtf is it called properly...
DanLights
Santa Hat Forever
MEGA DAVE said:
You are wrong, double tracking means tracking twice, usually that means one left and one right. What you're saying is quad tracking (2 left + 2 right = 4). I've never heard it used that way you're saying, though.
MEGA DAVE
Member
DanLights
Santa Hat Forever
MEGA DAVE said:
Sorry if it came out douchey, it wasn't my intention, just wanted to avoid confusion by answering clearly. Your question was "am I right?" and my answer was "you are wrong". Maybe if I had said "no, you're not right" it would've sounded better
AudioGeekZine
arsehole know-it-all
Part of that confusion may be from seeing "double-track each guitar". If there are two guitarists that's 4 recordings.
Σ guitar riffs = rhythm guitar stem.wav
guitar solos = guitars solos stem.wav
keyboard solos - keys solos stem.wav
or
Σ solos = solos stem.wav
?
and what about harmonies, do you include them in the rhythm stem or solo stem and get a stem of them and then a steamed hot dog ?:Spam:
guitar solos = guitars solos stem.wav
keyboard solos - keys solos stem.wav
or
Σ solos = solos stem.wav
?
and what about harmonies, do you include them in the rhythm stem or solo stem and get a stem of them and then a steamed hot dog ?:Spam:
DanLights
Santa Hat Forever
The hot dog would be nice not sure I understand your question 100%, but there's no strict rules on how to group your stems, it depends on what you're doing it for and what whoever is receiving them requires (for example stem mastering, most likely the mastering engineer will tell you what he needs and how), although I would usually separate leads from rhythm guitars, they have different places in the mix most of the time
not sure I understand your question 100%, but there's no strict rules on how to group your stems, it depends on what you're doing it for and what whoever is receiving them requires (for example stem mastering, most likely the mastering engineer will tell you what he needs and how), although I would usually separate leads from rhythm guitars, they have different places in the mix most of the time
egan.
daylightdies.com
A long time. I'm not sure whether it came over from video/film or not but I run into it more on that side (dialog, music, sound fx, etc). I think we started hearing about it a lot because of the rockband leaks and also because home engineering has lead to stem mastering becoming more popular.
Nimvi
Member
Oh my GOD yes. I'm constantly having this issue as well. To the point where people just give the wrong credits in their product, despite me clearly telling them that it's NOT what I did.
Doing a mix for a cinema documentary.
Go see the premiere.
Casting-screen.
Audio Mastering: *my name*
*sigh*
Ah well, around where I live, nobody has ever heard of an audio engineer anyway. Not a single person. They all seem to think that amazing productions naturally sound the way they do from the moment you put a fisherprice mic in front of someone.
dan weapon
Planet Smasher
hahaha, I have noticed this as well but I guess I'm ambivalent enough to people's ignorance to avoid posting about it. I'm glad someone has though!
Kinda reminds me of JBroll and his "A TUBESCREAMER IS NOT A FUCKING CLEAN BOOST YOU FUCKING MORON" rants. Except JBroll had more references to coffee and string theory.
Kinda reminds me of JBroll and his "A TUBESCREAMER IS NOT A FUCKING CLEAN BOOST YOU FUCKING MORON" rants. Except JBroll had more references to coffee and string theory.
TheBeville
Disarm Goliath
If I'm honest, I'm more annoyed when people refer to impulse responses as 'impulses'. I know many people here, many of those 5 times the audio engineer I am, use 'impulses' but the pedantic arsehole in me can't help but get annoyed every time I see this. Impulses are the sine sweep or fast burst sent through the environment (speaker cab, room, etc.) you want to get a 'response' of, which is then deconvolved to give the impulse response and used to show how sound would respond in the aforementioned environment. /rant
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