For those who drink and do drugs (Part 2)!!!!

[ZANEX]

Apparently moderation is the key. But hell, my moderation could be 12 beers and someone else 6. Anyway, my point is is that some "DAMN GOOD MUSIC" has been created while bands are "under the influence" Examples: Aerosmith's earlier stuff up until "Pump", early Sabbath with Ozzy/Dio. Early Megadeth up until "Risk". Van Halen's albums with David Lee Roth, The Beatles, early Rolling Stones, The Who, Jimi Hendrix, the Doors, all of Tool's stuff(Aenima has a song about all of the great musicians being "real fucking High"). However, I think too many drugs can "cloud judgement". Examples: the project "HELLYEAH" SUCKS, MARILYN MANSON'S latest shit, & more. Not to be a bad person, but I wish Aerosmith/Van Halen with Roth, & Ozzy/Black Sabbath, etc.. would do drugs in moderation to create great music.

Zane-X

 

[Metal head87]

Definitely. Just having a little can release your inhibitions, and really help with creativity.

I also find that having a couple of drinks, or a smoke, helps me speak more articulately, and to not mumble or stutter as much. So I always have a couple of martinis before I conduct a phone conference, or go to a meeting.

 

[mReEtTaIlRsEkD]

except Sabbath's SBS & Sabotage were fucking stellar albums and Aerosmith made AWESOME pop music post Pump. Even Megadeth's had a few gems since and including Risk.

Thing is, all those bands had creative people and it just so happens that they had money and access to drugs. You'd be hard pressed to find a direct correlation to substance indulgence and creativity mostly because, who the fuck can keep up the habit daily while recording/touring? After a few days of drinking everyone wants a day off. And producers and record companies won't necessarily tolerate that shit.

Blame the people for okaying the shitty music, being lazy and not putting more effort and thought into it, and giving alcohol and drugs bad reps. Leave that to the junkies.

 

[Shpongled]

I agree with Penguin. I think the reason sometimes a band's music may not be as great when they get off drugs is because they're creative people to begin with. When they get on the drugs and before they start fully abusing them it helps with creative juices and then the artist starts to think they that doing drugs and creating is the way to go. And the reason they get so hooked on them is because they are scared they may not be able to create without them.

I think the most important thing for any person that is considering trying drugs to remember is that life is pretty fucking awesome to begin with. If you can always remember that when you do drugs, I think it'd be easier to avoid becoming addicted. Life is just as great WITHOUT drugs. Remember that when you're about to take that first hit, kids.

 

[Reminiscence]

I love getting stoned, off a light drug like weed, and doing all kinds of thoughtful, imaginative things. Same with two beers (okay, actually 3, German beers are bigger), but further than that the alcohol stops being enlightening and starts leading to stupidity.

 

[ZANEX]

except Sabbath's SBS & Sabotage were fucking stellar albums and Aerosmith made AWESOME pop music post Pump. Even Megadeth's had a few gems since and including Risk.

Thing is, all those bands had creative people and it just so happens that they had money and access to drugs. You'd be hard pressed to find a direct correlation to substance indulgence and creativity mostly because, who the fuck can keep up the habit daily while recording/touring? After a few days of drinking everyone wants a day off. And producers and record companies won't necessarily tolerate that shit.

Blame the people for okaying the shitty music, being lazy and not putting more effort and thought into it, and giving alcohol and drugs bad reps. Leave that to the junkies.

I agree. Well said penguin.

 

[rebirth]

Do some trans mediation idiots, your not getting a full swing....

 

[Ghost of Red Dragon]

Definitely. Just having a little can release your inhibitions, and really help with creativity.

I also find that having a couple of drinks, or a smoke, helps me speak more articulately, and to not mumble or stutter as much. So I always have a couple of martinis before I conduct a phone conference, or go to a meeting.

most of the time inhibitions are just an attempt to conform to "society's" norms

the obvious example would be gays/lesbians pretending to be straight when around homophobic people but the instinct to alter our behavior to fit into society also affecting our actions in almost every aspect of what we do

clothing
i don't merely mean the obvious thing of wearing something you're not comfortable in just because everyone else is wearing the same thing and you want to be part of the group
i mean the whole existance of clothing to begin with
if you have a kid grow up in a nudist colony, where the kid has no access to tv/internet and no exposure to any kind of clothing at all, then for that kid, the concept of clothes doesn't make sense

wearing clothes isn't natural without a person being exposed to clothing, that's why so many people get naked when when they get drunk, the intoxication is kind of "opening their eyes" sort of, so they question the purpouse for the existance of clothing and "realize" that clothing is pointless so they get naked, feel liberated from the constaints of clothes, but this state of mind doesn't carry over into soberness the next day because we have to wear clothes to fit into society's "norms" think of it this way, animals don't were clothes, animals would feel weird with clothes on

yes intoxication helps with creativity in much the same way, for a lot of people, there's tons of ideas floating around constantly in their minds, but when they get intoxicated, those "ideas" become not only music, as the tread started pointed out, but also "abstract" paintings and phantasmagorical novels, i used to hang out with a guy that made his living as a painter, he drank and did acid and he kept telling me "i just can't paint when i'm sober"

 

[Shpongled]

Animals have fur instead of clothes that keep them warm and it was human instinct to find or invent clothes for the purpose of warmth.

I'd be willing to bet you all the money in the world that a kid born into your idea of never being exposed to clothes would start thinking about finding something to cover himself up with the first instant it got too cold for him to be without it. He might feel weird with them at first but he'd get used to them because the benefits they provide outweigh the slight discomfort.

So basically, wearing clothes IS a natural thing for humans to do. The entire idea of using something to keep ourselves warm was a natural process that began when the first human being roamed the earth.

 

[Ghost of Red Dragon]

Animals have fur instead of clothes that keep them warm and it was human instinct to find or invent clothes for the purpose of warmth.

I'd be willing to bet you all the money in the world that a kid born into your idea of never being exposed to clothes would start thinking about finding something to cover himself up with the first instant it got too cold for him to be without it. He might feel weird with them at first but he'd get used to them because the benefits they provide outweigh the slight discomfort.

So basically, wearing clothes IS a natural thing for humans to do. The entire idea of using something to keep ourselves warm was a natural process that began when the first human being roamed the earth.

okay, wrapping yourself for warmth is the explination for the creation of clothes, what i meant was, that wearing clothes would not be "natural" in hot weather, most "nudist colonies" are in tropical areas or areas where naked people are walking around huge climate controlled convention center type buildings
having a nudist colony in a place that's cold would be stupid

 

[Malergion]

We evolved basic human culture in a large measure during the last great Ice Age. Simply put, if you didn't find a hairy animal, kill it, and wear its skin, you, being relatively hairless, would freeze to death.

 

[Necromunchkin]

That actually isn't entirely true either. Heat definitely induces and inclination for minimal clothing. Sun exposure, however, necessitates cover. So even if the instinct would be to be naked, spending much time in the sun like where I live, is dangerous and even deadly. There's a reason people in the Sahara, Middle Eastern Deserts, and the American Deserts cover themselves head to feet. It's not modesty, it's survival.

 

[Ghost of Red Dragon]

That actually isn't entirely true either. Heat definitely induces and inclination for minimal clothing. Sun exposure, however, necessitates cover. So even if the instinct would be to be naked, spending much time in the sun like where I live, is dangerous and even deadly. There's a reason people in the Sahara, Middle Eastern Deserts, and the American Deserts cover themselves head to feet. It's not modesty, it's survival.

okay, i kind of get that
so how do you explain the parts of Africa where clothing is still non-existant?

 

[Ghost of Red Dragon]

We evolved basic human culture in a large measure during the last great Ice Age. Simply put, if you didn't find a hairy animal, kill it, and wear its skin, you, being relatively hairless, would freeze to death.

i was gonna say something like this in post number 8, but i had thought it to be unneccassary
you people aren't total idiots, are you?

 

[Malergion]

That actually isn't entirely true either. Heat definitely induces and inclination for minimal clothing. Sun exposure, however, necessitates cover. So even if the instinct would be to be naked, spending much time in the sun like where I live, is dangerous and even deadly. There's a reason people in the Sahara, Middle Eastern Deserts, and the American Deserts cover themselves head to feet. It's not modesty, it's survival.

Agreed. And your last sentence was my point. We are tropical primates forced to cope with both extremes. Simply put: if you don't wear clothing, you die more often than those that do.

 

[Ghost of Red Dragon]

We are tropical primates forced to cope with both extremes. Simply put: if you don't wear clothing, you die more often than those that do.

yeah
but my point was that animals don't wear clothes
the animals in the extreme cold have fur/blubber and the animals in the extreme heat are thinner without fur

animals would feel weird wearing clothes, so drunk people feel weird when wearing clothes, hence the people that get naked when drunk

 

[Malergion]

Except that there you're wrong. See, camels have rather thick fur.

 

[Ghost of Red Dragon]

Except that there you're wrong. See, camels have rather thick fur.

yeah
camels have thick fur but you're kinda missing the point here......

 

[Ghost of Red Dragon]

yeah
but my point was that animals don't wear clothes
animals would feel weird wearing clothes, so drunk people feel weird when wearing clothes, hence the people that get naked when drunk

fixed

 

[lad]

'For those who buy and wear clothes (PART 1)!!!!!!!!' amirite?