FUCK

[Johanna]

it's true

 

[Hell Mike]

yes but you can ratt with the ratt

 

[cthulufhtagn]

hahaha the greasy eastern bloc-stache

 

[lurch70]

juat fucking WOW ... never thought I'd see this

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/19/business/worldbusiness/19ubs.html?_r=1&hp

 

[EricT]

From the NY POST:

Al Sharpton says:

""The cartoon in today's New York Post is troubling at best given the historic racist attacks of African-Americans as being synonymous with monkeys. One has to question whether the cartoonist is making a less than casual reference to this when in the cartoon they have police saying after shooting a chimpanzee that "Now they will have to find someone else to write the stimulus bill."


"Being that the stimulus bill has been the first legislative victory of President Barack Obama (the first African American president) and has become synonymous with him it is not a reach to wonder are they inferring that a monkey wrote the last bill?""

The NY Post tells him to STFU:

"The cartoon is a clear parody of a current news event, to wit the shooting of a violent chimpanzee in Connecticut. It broadly mocks Washington's efforts to revive the economy. Again, Al Sharpton reveals himself as nothing more than a publicity opportunist."

 

[dorian gray]

The Post is a joke.

 

[lurch70]

i'll have to agree with the racist angle on that one ... i mean come on.

 

[Reign in Acai]

Except chimps possess more worth than negars. So who is actually being defamed by such an illustration, pseudo-man or beast?

Just finished watching I.O.U.S.A, pretty decent documentary.. It's geared towards lay people (the avg American who doesn't read the newspaper), but also provides enough insight to how deep in the mire we truly are. 'FUCK' indeed. Mandatory for the idiots who believe in the passing of this porkulus package.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/i_o_u_s_a/

 

[dorian gray]

Why are certain* people so down on the stimulus package? I don't understand what the alternative would be.
My only problem with the way things are being handled is that the economy is a mix of laissez-faire and socialization. These huge companies should have been allowed to fail, regardless of how many workers lost their jobs. Shit happens, move on, don't have so many children to support, etc etc. Do you think the Goths bitched and moaned about the Romans? No, they fucking killed them.
YET, the economy is in shambles partly because of de-regulation. Baloney instruments were created to hide bad debt, etc. etc. People bought that shit up and then were left holding the bag.
We need one economic system, not some hybrid. Now that everything's gone to shit, I'm all for socialization.

Sincerely,
dorian gray, economist



*Republicans

 

[Reign in Acai]

The government is not laissez faire at all, that is the problem. Bailing out the banks, the auto industry, every toothless yokel from Appalachia to Detroit, is not a hands off approach to the economy. This stimulus bill is another bailout without a return. At least in regards to the bank bailout, there's the "promise" of a return of investment. This cockameemie endeavor is billions upon billions of dollars thrown towards the Nadya Suleman's of the country who refuse to get off their rear ends and pick up a God damn gig and be productive. Job market be damned, if you're unemployed, you should turn to working anything that is available until something better comes along. No slight to Nad, I love the bloke, but he should accept the $9 an hour job at blockbuster, as opposed to being out of work for a year on our dime, holding out for that 6 figure salary. (Awaits a slew of hate posts)

 

[dorian gray]

Oh, I completely agree that the idea of being "unemployed" is bullshit. There are jobs to be had, modern Americans just feel they are entitled to a minimum of $50,000 and great benefits to screw a bolt onto the fender of a Chevy that will come loose before it even leaves the factory floor.

Rergading the economic system: I was pointing out that it's a hybrid of laissez-faire and regulation. Yeah, the SEC exists to watch over Wall Street assholes, but it obviously didn't work. If the system were truly regulated, these subprime mortgage instruments would have been illegal. If the system were truly laissez-faire, house prices would not have been artificially propped-up.
I believe the bailout is necessary because of this. Yeah, it sucks, and it's bullshit and all that but the alternative is complete disaster....and it may be disaster after all-said-and-done anyway. Yet, I also believe that corporations like GM, Chrysler, AIG, etc should've been left to die. I don't think it's such a bad idea to inject money into banks so that start-ups can get loans. That's what the stimulus bill is supposed to do. That's what the first one was supposed to do and the fucking banks just hoarded the money. You want to be pissed off at someone, go burn down a bank.

 

[Reign in Acai]

I don't wish to donate an imaginary dime for the 9 million fucktards who took sub-prime mortgages on 600k homes while working at Target. Nor do I wish to pay a centavo to expand C.O.B.R.A. benefits, foodstamp subsidies, or to fix a pothole that should have already been fixed ten times over by the group of transportation workers who stand around scratching their balls, and shooting the shit for 8 hours a day on a project that should take no more than 30 minutes. Here in California, we're getting it from both ends, as Heizeich van dolph Schwarzenigger is trying to pass a budget that will result in a $1,400 tax hike per family. Why? Because if they don't pass this bill at this very hour 20,000 state jobs will be lost. Well let them be lost I say. As a state of 37mil it's a drop in the bucket. Perhaps I.C.E. can do their fucking job and ship some of these filthy fucking spics back to their Tephaulitichen wasteland which will open up some employment opportunities for whites who rather get their hands soiled at the construction site, instead of stained by cocoa at the java bar. As a state we lead the nation in income tax, sales taxes, gasoline taxes, and are mid-tier in property tax. Yet, the reaming persists.

 

[lurch70]

Job market be damned, if you're unemployed, you should turn to working anything that is available until something better comes along. No slight to Nad, I love the bloke, but he should accept the $9 an hour job at blockbuster, as opposed to being out of work for a year on our dime, holding out for that 6 figure salary. (Awaits a slew of hate posts)

i agree with this but the thing is that for most people that get a $400-500 unemployment check per week it doesn't make sense to take a $10/hr job.
how long do unemployment benefits last nowadays anyway? used ot be 6 months in NYS but I hear its now 1 year.

 

[EricT]

i agree with this but the thing is that for most people that get a $400-500 unemployment check per week it doesn't make sense to take a $10/hr job.
how long do unemployment benefits last nowadays anyway? used ot be 6 months in NYS but I hear its now 1 year.

Unemployment can last for fucking ever... There are so many bullshit options to extend the benefits that people can go ages on the shit. The shameful part is that these motherfuckers get more money than I make working my ass off, on my dime. Liberals deem this fair, I deem it bullshit.

And forclosure rescue efforts... Fuck em. Why should people who willingly took out mortgages that they couldn't afford get help from the taxes of those who have been paying their mortgage, that they took out after doing the research and have been working hard every day to ensure it was in full and on time?

We're spending billions of dollars to help people who fucked themselves up, be it the banks, the auto industry, or the people who can't do god damn math. They should fix their own problems with their own fucking money.

 

[EricT]

Oh, and soon we'll be paying EVEN MORE for our favorite mother of 14:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUKTRE51I17P20090219

 

[lurch70]

And forclosure rescue efforts... Fuck em. Why should people who willingly took out mortgages that they couldn't afford get help from the taxes of those who have been paying their mortgage, that they took out after doing the research and have been working hard every day to ensure it was in full and on time?

the problems with these fuckers is that them abandoning their houses is leaving otherwise ok areas in distress and bringing the property values of entire normally well-off areas down.

the flip side is now that the new financial advice people are given, EVEN IF THEY ARE STILL ON TOP OF THEIR MORTGAGE, is that if for example they bought a house for $500K and all of a sudden its worth $200K and they still owe $400K ... just get the fuck out of it anyway you can.

but what boggles my mid is that most foreclosures are on homes that are like $200-$300K ... how much is monthly mortgage on something like that? $1200? come on ... there has to be a way between 2 adults in a family to made that kind of loot in a month.

 

[Reign in Acai]

but what boggles my mid is that most foreclosures are on homes that are like $200-$300K ... how much is monthly mortgage on something like that? $1200? come on ... there has to be a way between 2 adults in a family to made that kind of loot in a month.

More around the $1,800-$2,200 range, I'd surmise. Still manageable between two moderately employed adults.

Establish a debtor's prison. Refuse to toil? To the gallows! I'm fucking sick to death of this PC world.

 

[EricT]

the problems with these fuckers is that them abandoning their houses is leaving otherwise ok areas in distress and bringing the property values of entire normally well-off areas down.

the flip side is now that the new financial advice people are given, EVEN IF THEY ARE STILL ON TOP OF THEIR MORTGAGE, is that if for example they bought a house for $500K and all of a sudden its worth $200K and they still owe $400K ... just get the fuck out of it anyway you can.

but what boggles my mid is that most foreclosures are on homes that are like $200-$300K ... how much is monthly mortgage on something like that? $1200? come on ... there has to be a way between 2 adults in a family to made that kind of loot in a month.

Should be simple enough, however, when you mismanage your money, don't account for the future, and spend spend spend at your local rent-a-center on anything and everything, at the end of the month your money is all dried up and you start having to take out pay day loans just to pay your bills. The pay day loans start to rack up, till you're super behind on them, so you start juggling everything until everything just falls underneath you and there's no way out of the hole you dug...

A little planning and frugality could go a long way. These people should have known better.

 

[skeptik]

Let's just keep in mind folks, these are all black and white issues with clear cut answers.

 

[Reign in Acai]

There's very few people I know who aren't living pay check to pay check. I'm talking about people who are in their 50's making 74k a year, paying a scant $900 rent on their home, and still are in need to borrow $70 to get them through until week's end. In China, savings is instilled in to your mindset at a very young age. 40-50% of all income gets put under the mattress for those fiscally frightening times when you are asked to turn in your straw hat and are sent home from the rice fields. Here in the U.S.Ch 13, people can spend with reckless abandon without fear of consequence. $700 on the latest BMW S Series, $1,500 on rent for a studio apartment on the west side, $120 a month at Starbucks, $400 a month on fashionable wardrobe, hundreds more on food and entertainment. F.O.A.D.

There will be no Social Security left after the Baby Boomers get their share, and even that is barely enough to purchase milk and a loaf of wheat bread. At the very least you should be saving 13% of your income. Taking prospective inflation in to account, you may as well put a decimal point between those numbers, as that's what it's going to be worth as the dollar crumbles like Al Sharpton before the primate exhibit at the N.Y Metro. The generations alive today have pulled all the equity from this country, and we're going to be stuck living in 90210 shanty towns. Brace yourselves friends.