giz a hand with my project pls

[blackeyed]

hey, am doing a mini project this week and i think it would be ace if you lot had something to do with it too.
so im look at use of jesus in art, interpretations of jesus and the meaning/sysmbolism of jesus.
so tell me what are your views on jesus DO NOT RANT ABOUT CHRISTIANITY OR CATHOLOCISM thats not what im asking of you. just when i say 'jesus' what do you think??? what does he look like to you? how do you think he acted? like what do you think his disposition was - a cockey little bastard or a placid man with all the answers? what does he stand for - redemption, revolution, love, freedom, death, restriction, orthodoxy???

give your opinions (i know you like to ) would be a great help and youll all get mentioned in my project credits for what its worth cheers

 

[autumnsphere]

this is the first thing i connect with jesus. and it's great!

 

[blackeyed]

i never watched that - arent there two versions? what do you think of it?

 

[DragonLady1]

it has some ace songs in it!

 

[sol83]

you said jesus in art... well, byzantine art and the renaissance is full of it. jesus, mary and the whole pack. personally, i don't believe jesus existed (as being the son of god and all that i mean). resurection my ass.

 

[Cerulean]

 

[RedDawn]

For what its worth if i try to create a mental image of Jesus, then its the old on the cross, crown of thorns blood trickling from the wounds & his head hung with a look of calm despair ( if that makes any sense). As a bloke i always imagined him kind of placid & misunderstood - sorry to go off the track- but i think of him being like Bryan (in Python's Life of Bryan). Where people take everything he says literally & dont really get the message he was trying to put across, but go about praising him & hanging on his every word regardless of wether or not they understand the point he was trying to make. In essence i think his image represents sacrifice, rebirth & unconditional love.
Thats about it then, if my pointless rambling makes any sense!

 

[blackeyed]

i knew youd do this.... lol
ok so you think jesus/christianity is a pile of crap - but do you think you could at least express your views a little better so i have something to work with.
@sol cheers for direction, i have looked in that area already - the image was used for different reasons back then, it was reflective of different views......thats what has made me take up this mini project - i want to know what people think now, what does jesus represent to you????

 

[blackeyed]

For what its worth if i try to create a mental image of Jesus, then its the old on the cross, crown of thorns blood trickling from the wounds & his head hung with a look of calm despair ( if that makes any sense). As a bloke i always imagined him kind of placid & misunderstood - sorry to go off the track- but i think of him being like Bryan (in Python's Life of Bryan). Where people take everything he says literally & dont really get the message he was trying to put across, but go about praising him & hanging on his every word regardless of wether or not they understand the point he was trying to make. In essence i think his image represents sacrifice, rebirth & unconditional love.
Thats about it then, if my pointless rambling makes any sense!

nice one, whats your name btw? - so you have quite a traditional view then, clam despair.....do you think he was despairing at mankind for its lack of understanding, or despair at something else?

 

[autumnsphere]

i know that dostoevsky was obsessed with jesus, he was crazy for him like, the whole "Idiot" is about Jesus.

Hesse about Jesus in IDIOT

"I believe that nothing is more beautiful, profound, sympathetic,
reasonable, brave, and perfect than Christ. With jealous love, I say
to myself, not only that his equal cannot be found, but that it does
not exist. And more, if someone should bring me proof that Christ is
outside the truth, then I should prefer to remain with Christ than
with the truth."

Letter to Natalya Fonvizina, soon after his release from Siberia

it sounds so beautiful and so sincere, i just can't help believing.

 

[blackeyed]

cheers you will get a big thankyou - shall print that off and have a good read later with a cuppa!

 

[RedDawn]

nice one, whats your name btw? - so you have quite a traditional view then, clam despair.....do you think he was despairing at mankind for its lack of understanding, or despair at something else?

Oddly enough my name is Dawn! I guess i do have a traditional image of Jesus 'cos i immediatley think of the sculptures & figures you see in churches. I think he despaired at humanity for not getting the right messages from him, I think he probably thought he had failed his 'mission'. (whatever it was) I could never really think of the whole rebirth thing ( not that i'm a believer in any of it) to me that didnt make sense - he either died for the sins of the world or he didnt - none of this 'oh go on son you can have another go at the old life malarkey.' Just an image of a pointless waste of life & the sorrow, pain & regret that must go with it.

 

[sol83]

what i believe about jesus? that his whole image is a creation of the human mind, that needed and still needs some kind of divine saviour for many reasons. thats what he is/was, a concept, an idea, by no means something that existed in flesh and bones.

 

[blackeyed]

what i believe about jesus? that his whole image is a creation of the human mind, that needed and still needs some kind of divine saviour for many reasons. thats what he is/was, a concept, an idea, by no means something that existed in flesh and bones.

how do you see this visually?

 

[sol83]

emm, how do you mean visually?

 

[Dhatura]

So these are my concepts:

a) I consider Jesus as a historical figure, which means he might have lived (I don't see any reason to doubt that) but I don't believe his divinity or his magical power.

b) His significance, however, as a symbol is immense, not for me, but in general. The image I have of him is, I think, a living person, I never imagine him when I hear his name as a body on the cross. He's always walking around in his white clothes, talking to people, no blood shed and that. I think my image of Jesus mainly derives from J.C. Superstar, the movie version I've seen several times (first when I was a kid, I saw it in the cinema that's rather odd cause I rarely went to the cinema as a kid). So I think today it's basically the films that influence people's image of Jesus, so, in fact, everyone has a Jesus-image of someone else who in turn got it from someone else before him/her. It's only the medium that changes.

 

[Dhatura]

emm, how do you mean visually?

What does he look like to your mind's eye?

 

[sol83]

i'll agree on a. and b, kinda.

 

[blackeyed]

What does he look like to your mind's eye?

yeah that is what i mean. thanks for your input Dhatura (whats your name for the project?)
@sol, when you say he was a concept type thing - what image do you get in your head? a whirl of mist? what?

 

[autumnsphere]

emm, how do you mean visually?

Dali