Godsmack and Disturbed

[Ruthven]

I had no idea that I couldn't be a prog fan AND a Disturbed and Godsmack fan.

That's ok...I am tempted to listen to some punk rock to wash the taste of this thread out of my mouth.

 

[Bear]

to the disturbed fans: please elaborate on what you think shows good musicianship or a unique and successful approach to song writing, I am legitmatly curious as to what a prog fan can find redeeming in their music. I find their music to be generic and lame, with 2 power chord riffs any asshole with a guitar could come up with. This would only make them just as bad as the usually nu-metal band. But how can anyone take the vocals and lyrics seriously? With all of the monkey noises and other ridiculously cheesy (in a bad way) vocal phrasing and lyrics seemingly ripped from a 12 year old wrestling fans diary. To me its just some wigger/tough guy wanna be making a complete fool of himself.

to godsmack fans: how do you not see that band as just a poor ripoff of alice in chains

I just remember being like 13 when "stupify" hit the commercial radio stations, and even despite my horrible commercial taste back then, like korn and slipknot, I could still see the hokeyness of disturbed. to me they are good for an unintentional laugh, thats about it

First of all who says you have to be a fan of any genre of music to like any other genre of music? I mean there is where I see where your problem lies with it. I no longer look at music as us against them, I look at music as what I like. This is coming from a metal guitarist that has been playing over 25 years too.I think Steve Miller rules!!!

okay moving on. I see alot of depth in Draimans lyrics and vocals, just because he has a unique talent which is very cool in my book it seems as people have discounted him on that alone, which is upsurd to me. Back to his lyrics, have you actually ever read them? I think the guitars are ripping, great riffs and grooves, they fit and they are aggressive, not sure what wrong with that.

I will post just two lyrics that I find deep and meaningful to me and would question what you find generic and lame about them

Remember

Sensation washes over me
I can't describe it
Pain I felt so long ago
I don't remember
Tear a hole so I can see
My devastation
Feelings from so long ago
I don't remember

Holding on, to let them know
What's given to me
To hide behind
The mask this time
And try to believe

Blind your eyes to what you see
You can't embrace it
Leave it well enough alone
And don't remember
Cut your pride and watch it bleed
You can't deny it
Pain you know you can't ignor
I don't remember

Holding on, to let them know
What's given to me
To hide behind
The mask this time
And try to believe

Blind your eyes to what you see
You can't embrace it
Leave it well enough alone
And don't remember
Cut your pride and watch it bleed
You can't deny it
Pain you know you can't ignor
I don't remember

If I can
Remember
To know this will
Conquer me
If I can
Just walk alone
And try to escape
Into me

and

Stricken

You walk on like a woman in suffering
Won't even bother now to tell me why
You come alone, letting all of us savor the moment
Leaving me broken another time
You come on like a bloodstained hurricane
Leave me alone, let me be this time
You carry on like a holy man pushing redemption
I don't want to mention, the reason I know

That I am stricken and can't let you go
When the heart is cold, there's no hope, and we know
That I am crippled by all that you've done
Into the abyss will I run

You don't know what your power has done to me
I want to know if I'll heal inside
I can't go on with a holocaust about to happen
Seeing you laughing another time
You'll never know how your face has haunted me
My very soul has to bleed this time
Another hole in the wall of my inner defenses
Leaving me breathless, the reason I know

That I am stricken and can't let you go
When the heart is cold, there's no hope, and we know
That I am crippled by all that you've done
Into the abyss will I run

Into the abyss will I run

You walk on like a woman in suffering
Won't even bother now to tell me why
You come alone, letting all of us savor the moment
Leaving me broken another time
You come on like a bloodstained hurricane
Leave me alone, let me be this time
You carry on like a holy man pushing redemption
I don't want to mention, the reason I know

That I am stricken and can't let you go
When the heart is cold, there's no hope, and we know
That I am crippled by all that you've done
Into the abyss will I run

Into the abyss will I run
I can't let you go
Yes I am stricken and can't let you go


Now I have read many many many power metal and prog metal
bands lyrics that are way way way out there in the land of
cheese but you'll rarely hear me ripping on them, mostly
because the music kicks ass. When the day is over and all is
said and done, I still like what I like and no one will ever
change my mind. C'est la vie

Bear

 

[General Zod]

to the disturbed fans: please elaborate on what you think shows good musicianship or a unique and successful approach to song writing, I am legitmatly curious as to what a prog fan can find redeeming in their music. I find their music to be generic and lame, with 2 power chord riffs any asshole with a guitar could come up with.

There are many different reasons that people find themselves drawn to a particular band, CD or song. For me, with respect to Disturbed, I enjoy the vocal delivery and the vocal melodies. I find them catchy and I enjoy the attitude with which they're delivered.

to godsmack fans: how do you not see that band as just a poor ripoff of alice in chains

A fair question. I love AiC. And there's absolutely no comparing the two bands in terms of originality, talent or quality (IMO). That said, there's a vibe that Godsmack brings to the table that so many of the other AiC-influenced bands lack. Again, I like the vocals and the melodies. However, I also dig the music. It's got attitude and an energy I appreciate.

Keep in mind, asking why someone enjoys a particular song, is like asking why their favorite color is blue and not red, or why they prefer red heads to blondes, or why they prefer fish to steak. Different strokes, different folks.

Just out of curiosity, have you heard either bands latest work? Or just the radio singles?

Zod

 

[Iced Ray]

actually both bands pretyt much epitomize shitty generic radio nu-metal that doesn't go outside the box or push anything. too me both sound like a bad version of alice in chains, only disturbed have more monkey noises

Yeah, this pretty much sums up how I feel about both bands. And for the record, I never cared for AiC either.

 

[nailz]

I like Disturbed because I just like... well... I can't even list specifics. I just DO and that's good enough for me.

Wow, you just turned this thread into some kind of Apple Jacks commercial.

 

[nailz]

Disturbed seems like they truely believe in the music, look like they live to perform it for the fans, and have their own distinct sound. Thats hard to do now adays, and thats why I respect them.

 

[jhallum]

to godsmack fans: how do you not see that band as just a poor ripoff of alice in chains

With Faceless, Godsmack hit the pinnacle of "You don't like it? Well fuck off!"
It was one of my top ten in '03 or '04. It's the perfect mood record when you are just pissed and just don't give a shit anymore. Alice and Chains wasn't into that vibe (if you listen to Dirt and then listen to Faceless, you'll wonder where the comparisons came from. I do, I own both). It's not art, it's not meant to be art, it's meant to amplify your feelings, and it sure does get the blood flowing.

As far as Godsmack's playing, have you seen their live sets? I bet you'd change your tune after seeing them live. They reached a new level for me when I saw them open for Metallica two years ago. Just a phoenomenal show.

 

[sarbah77]

Wow, you just turned this thread into some kind of Apple Jacks commercial.

My music stays crunchy in milk!

Wait, no. That ain't right...

 

[Jasonic]

Anyone see ROCK HONORS last night on VH1?
Godsmack did a good Priest medley....
Electric Eye / Victim of Changes / Hell Bent for Leather

The vocalist wasn't dead on, but still decent.
The guitarist did a good job.

 

[Iced Ray]

Anyone see ROCK HONORS last night on VH1?
Godsmack did a good Priest medley....
Electric Eye / Victim of Changes / Hell Bent for Leather

The vocalist wasn't dead on, but still decent.
The guitarist did a good job.

Yuck. I thought they blew.

Although it was not as bad as The All American Rejects doing Def Leppard's Photograph...that was the epitome of gay...and I think the original is pretty gay to start with.


Other comments about the show:

- Priest ruled but Halford singing You Got Another Thing Comin' was way off and a bit annoying.

- Memo to Queen: NOBODY CAN REPLACE FREDDIE SO STOP IT...NOW.

- This news just in...Def Leppard still suck. Why did they do a cover song when it was a show honoring them? Btw, I know the answer to this but its still retarded.

- Why was Jamie Pressley talking like a black woman when it was a 'rock' honor show?

I didn't bother watching KISS. How was the tribute band?

 

[Bear]

No one can replace Freddie but they got one hell of a great lead singer to help carry on. Paul Rodgers was awesome in my opinion.

Joe Elliot cant sing anymore.

Preist rules. Kiss blows

Bear

 

[Iced Ray]

No one can replace Freddie but they got one hell of a great lead singer to help carry on. Paul Rodgers was awesome in my opinion.

I agree with you that Paul can sing but he is not meant to sing Queen songs, IMO. He does his Bad Company schtick with a lot of the songs and it doesn't come off like the originals. For example, the way he sang the beginning of We Are The Champions made me cringe not because he can't hold a tune but because the emotion of that song (especially that beginning verse) was completely lost in the way he sang it.

 

[General Zod]

- This news just in...Def Leppard still suck.

I assume you're talking about post "Pyromania" Def Leppard? Because "Pyromania", and to a lesser extant, "High n Dry" are two of the finest Hard Rock/Metal discs of all-time.

- Why was Jamie Pressley talking like a black woman when it was a 'rock' honor show?

I could care less if Jamie Pressley was talking like Fred Sanford.

I didn't bother watching KISS.

I haven't bothered watching Kiss for nearly 30 years, so we agree on this one.

Zod

 

[Iced Ray]

I assume you're talking about post "Pyromania" Def Leppard? Because "Pyromania", and to a lesser extant, "High n Dry" are two of the finest Hard Rock/Metal discs of all-time.

Not in my book...not even close. High N Dry was a tad above mediocre and I consider that their best album.

For the record, Hysteria is the worst rock record of all time, IMO.

 

[General Zod]

Not in my book...not even close. High N Dry was a tad above mediocre and I consider that their best album.

Just out of curiosity, how old are you? I don't mean that to be insulting, I'm just curious from what perspective you're looking at it.

Zod

 

[Iced Ray]

Just out of curiosity, how old are you? I don't mean that to be insulting, I'm just curious from what perspective you're looking at it.

Zod

Gonna be 39 later this year....

But seriously, when Leppard broke big in the early 80's, I viewed them in the same vein as other groups of that time - Quiet Riot, Ratt, Motley Crue, etc... bands that were borderline metal and more hard rock. They may have had a few decent tunes here and there but basically were second rate when compared to the better bands of that time - Priest, Maiden, Accept, Ozzy, DIO, Savatage, etc...

IMO, the best band of that genre (hair metal/hard rock) was Dokken who blew away the Leppards and Quiet Riots of the world easily.

 

[General Zod]

Gonna be 39 later this year....

OK, so we're in the same agae group (I'll be 38 late this year).

But seriously, when Leppard broke big in the early 80's, I viewed them in the same vein as other groups of that time - Quiet Riot, Ratt, Motley Crue, etc... bands that were borderline metal and more hard rock.

To me, all these bands were Metal. I didn't draw any distinction between Motley Crue and Ozzy. They were different peas in the same pod.

They may have had a few decent tunes here and there but basically were second rate when compared to the better bands of that time - Priest, Maiden, Accept, Ozzy, DIO, Savatage, etc...

While I like all the bands you've listed here, I'd take Crue, Ratt and Def Lep over Ozzy, Accept and Priest. For me, it was Ozzy and Accept who were inconsistent. Ozzy, even in his solo prime, wrote songs that make me want to tare my ears off.

IMO, the best band of that genre (hair metal/hard rock) was Dokken who blew away the Leppards and Quiet Riots of the world easily.

Dokken was easily the most overlooked band of the 80s. However, it always seemed to me that they lacked conviction. They weren't sure who they wanted to be. I remember reading an interview with Lynch, where he mentioned that they felt an enormous sense of preasure to keep up with Motley Crue from an image perspective. They constantly went from writing these bad ass tunes like "Mr. Scary" and "Kiss of Death" to radio-oriented shit like "Burning Like a Flame" (one of the worst songs Ive ever heard). That said, "Tooth and Nail", "Under Lock and Key" and "Back for the Attack" are all stellar discs.

Zod

 

[Iced Ray]

To me, all these bands were Metal. I didn't draw any distinction between Motley Crue and Ozzy. They were different peas in the same pod.

Fair enough but some of those bands drifted a bit off the metal path later on in their careers.

While I like all the bands you've listed here, I'd take Crue, Ratt and Def Lep over Ozzy, Accept and Priest. For me, it was Ozzy and Accept who were inconsistent.

This is where we disagree in a big, big way. Judas Priest are one of the greatest metal bands of all time, IMO. Only Sabbath and Maiden can be mentioned in the same breath.

As for Accept, their run from the Breaker album up to and including Russian Roulette was one of the greatest runs by any metal band ever, IMO.

I will give you Ozzy being inconsistent but only after the first 2 albums with Randy which both ruled.

Dokken was easily the most overlooked band of the 80s. However, it always seemed to me that they lacked conviction. They weren't sure who they wanted to be. I remember reading an interview with Lynch, where he mentioned that they felt an enormous sense of preasure to keep up with Motley Crue from an image perspective. They constantly went from writing these bad ass tunes like "Mr. Scary" and "Kiss of Death" to radio-oriented shit like "Burning Like a Flame" (one of the worst songs Ive ever heard). That said, "Tooth and Nail", "Under Lock and Key" and "Back for the Attack" are all stellar discs.

We do agree here for the most part. I think Dokken got the short end of the stick for that era because musically they were far superior than their peers. I know their wrestling with their image hurt them because they tried to be glam look wise but their music was heavier and more intricate than that stuff.

And for the life of me, thats what leads to me never figuring out why Pyromania got so much praise while Tooth and Nail (a way better album, IMO) didn't.

 

[Bear]

Thread drift......

I'll chime in on Dokken, since they were for a long time my favorite band. I think there was also the rift between Don and George that made for a great combination of music for a time and then ultimately lead to the crappy years, which was just for George to close out his deal with the record co. George wanted to go heavy and Don wanted to go lite, so it made for a great friction that lead to kick ass songs like Dont Close Your Eyes, Lightning Strikes Again, Tooth and Nail, Till the Living End, Kiss of Death ect ect but we all know they couldn't get along in the end. Its funny to see Dokken now, they mostly play Lynch era stuff, because Don knows what was the best years even though he refuses to admit George was Dokken. C'est la vie

Bear

 

[Bryant]

I don't own a disc by either, but have heard both. I have been considering a Disturbed disc. Godsmack isn't my cup of tea, but they aren't "bad" either. What do I know though ? I am a Goo Goo Dolls fan.


Bryant