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Strider
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TheFourthHorseman said:
so another PoS fan here, I guess. You know, I've been listening to BE for weeks now, and somehow I can't seem to enter in the right state of mind to really understand it... all the other albums just floored me the very moment I had them... too pretentious... PoS have aalways had the capacity of being complex and "smart" without being pretentious... but somewhere during the course of BE I find myself thinking "Daniel this time you've gone a bit too far!" I hope BE will be (ahem...) a step aside more than a stop forward for the band...
fireangel: I'm guessing you've heard the oomph!/l'âme immortelle song brennende liebe? if not: do. 
and actually, I pretty much share your opinion. they played some BE live shows here in sweden a little more than a year ago, so I knew what was to come, but I thought that it'd be a lot easier to take in after listening it through a couple of times. don't know, though, right now I feel many of the individual songs "get lost" in the concept.
I'd still say it's a great album, with some brilliant parts, but I probably listened to remedy lane more times the first week I had it compared to BE at all so far...
that makes at least four of us here (ouagadougou as well, I think).Strider said:
and actually, I pretty much share your opinion. they played some BE live shows here in sweden a little more than a year ago, so I knew what was to come, but I thought that it'd be a lot easier to take in after listening it through a couple of times. don't know, though, right now I feel many of the individual songs "get lost" in the concept.
I'd still say it's a great album, with some brilliant parts, but I probably listened to remedy lane more times the first week I had it compared to BE at all so far...
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Delirious said:that makes at least four of us here (ouagadougou as well, I think).
and actually, I pretty much share your opinion. they played some BE live shows here in sweden a little more than a year ago, so I knew what was to come, but I thought that it'd be a lot easier to take in after listening it through a couple of times. don't know, though, right now I feel many of the individual songs "get lost" in the concept.
I'd still say it's a great album, with some brilliant parts, but I probably listened to remedy lane more times the first week I had it compared to BE at all so far...
oh I actually think it's better than the 90% of the so-called prog-metal crap out there, and it shows brilliant pieces of art... only the whole concept is not greater than the sum of its parts, as with the previous albums. Sometimes, boredom sets quietly in... still, Daniel is the better singer nowadays gracing my ears (apart from the almighty Mike Patton), and a musical genius... I just hope they will drop the orchestra and make The Perfect Element part II with their classic sound
well, that goes without sayingStrider said:
we differ a bit there, then. the only "concept greater than part of it sums" for me is one hour.... the ones after that I see as much as just songs (altough often connected, some of them very tightly), possibly because I at first didn't hear the albums in their entirety. about daniel, he is definitely one of my favourite singers and since he is the mastermind behind what I think is two of the best albums ever (RL, TPE) I second "musical genius" without a doubt.Strider said:
as I've understood things, the next studio album will indeed be TPE II.
and if I remember correctly johan langell spoke about a dvd as well, but I guess we'll simply have to wait and see...
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yes, I have =)Delirious said:fireangel: I'm guessing you've heard the oomph!/l'âme immortelle song brennende liebe? if not: do.
It´s a cool song, and it has fine lyrics, but in that case it had almost zero to do with LAI, apart from that you hardly hear her voice
Anybody could have sang the chorus with Dero.... The sole reason for the actual cooperation was, that LAI changed to the same recordcompany (GUN-Supersonic) where oomph! came to a year earlier or such. Thus they could use the single very well to promote the name L`Ame Immortelle, because oomph! had an immense success in Germany. NP: Before The Dawn - Vengeance
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perfectly spot on, as usual.fireangel said:
the song is good and an obvious bridge between the hardcore-ish oomph! atmosphere and the romantic/gothic lai scenarios, but she's really unnecessary to the whole thing.
TheFourthHorseman
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The DVD will be released in December, but maybe to your disappoitment, it'll "only" feature one of the BE-concerts that were performed before BE's release.Delirious said:
The next album is not necessarily TPE II, or so I recall Daniel saying in some interview.
The new Nightingale doesn't really get me going. Maybe after some more listens, but probably not.
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rahvin said:perfectly spot on, as usual.
thanks. I luv analyzing I believe it was written before LAI came on scene, so it was not meant as the connection you describe. But it´s a pure guess, I can´t prove this one sentence.
edit: I forgot to say that oomph! in fact are very_romantic! =)
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fireangel: well, the verses are 50/50... but I see your point, and had no idea about the background situation with the record company. pretty much an oomph! song with some guest vocals, then.
TheFourthHorseman: not disappointment, really, since the live show was great and it's nice more people will be able to see it in it's entirety. it would be nice if they threw in some extras, though, a little "making of/behind the scenes" or whatever...
concerning TPE2: after the BE show I asked if there actually would be any follow-up to TPE and I don't remember the answer exactly but it was in the vein of "yeah, that's up next". but plans can change of course, and if the interview is more recent that's obviously what to believe in.
TheFourthHorseman: not disappointment, really, since the live show was great and it's nice more people will be able to see it in it's entirety. it would be nice if they threw in some extras, though, a little "making of/behind the scenes" or whatever...
concerning TPE2: after the BE show I asked if there actually would be any follow-up to TPE and I don't remember the answer exactly but it was in the vein of "yeah, that's up next". but plans can change of course, and if the interview is more recent that's obviously what to believe in.
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Delirious: hm, maybe not 50/50, but now that you say it, I remember she had some more sentences to contribute, so I was not completely accurate I was mainly on the chorus, because that´s where they sing together but you hardly notice it. Also oomph! wrote the song on their own, LAI didn´t have a say in it.
But I guess we understood each what the other one meant to say rahvin understands everything anyhow
I was mainly on the chorus, because that´s where they sing together but you hardly notice it. Also oomph! wrote the song on their own, LAI didn´t have a say in it.But I guess we understood each what the other one meant to say
rahvin understands everything anyhow 
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Strider
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Delirious said:
yes, the dvd of BE should be out for the end of the year/beginning of 05... as I understand, TPE2 shoud've been the follow-up to RL, but Daniel found that the use of the orchestra didn't suit the concept, so, when a normal person would have just dropped the orchestra, he started another frigging complex concept instead... The funny thing is that for RL he made something similar (Dream Theater wanted them for the tour, so he just wrote an entire new album a couple of months before the tour). In my book this is called "genius" (well maybe even "overconfidence in one's self"). If you read the credits for the last albums, you'll see that he made almost anything for the album short of selling it door by door...
TheFourthHorseman
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The thing is, I think that Daniel has had many of these concepts in his head for years and years, like BE for about five years or so. In that respect it would rather seem that he has chosen whatever he finds suitable for the album or what is recent (as in fitting for that time).
Do you mean that Daniel wrote and did just about everything on the latest albums with "made almost anything for the album short of selling it door by door"? That's quite true, but that's just more proof on him being a rather modern l'uomo universale, I'd say. It's amazing how much he can do and knows about...well, everything, in this time and age where there's so much information that doing it the "Da Vinci" way is pretty damn impossible.
I know I'm being a fanboy, what with praising him from heaven to hell, but that's ok.
Still, Fredrik wrote one of the best PoS songs for BE. Even if it's still Daniel's great lyrics and vocals.
Do you mean that Daniel wrote and did just about everything on the latest albums with "made almost anything for the album short of selling it door by door"? That's quite true, but that's just more proof on him being a rather modern l'uomo universale, I'd say. It's amazing how much he can do and knows about...well, everything, in this time and age where there's so much information that doing it the "Da Vinci" way is pretty damn impossible.
I know I'm being a fanboy, what with praising him from heaven to hell, but that's ok.
Still, Fredrik wrote one of the best PoS songs for BE. Even if it's still Daniel's great lyrics and vocals.
Strider
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TheFourthHorseman said:
beg your pardon... I meant he did anything <i>on</i> the album...
TheFourthHorseman said:That's quite true, but that's just more proof on him being a rather modern l'uomo universale, I'd say. It's amazing how much he can do and knows about...well, everything, in this time and age where there's so much information that doing it the "Da Vinci" way is pretty damn impossible.
I know I'm being a fanboy, what with praising him from heaven to hell, but that's ok.
Still, Fredrik wrote one of the best PoS songs for BE. Even if it's still Daniel's great lyrics and vocals.
yes I'm really amazed at what he can do, and actually does... but yes, I want Fredrik and the other guys to contribute more to the songwriting... because they all just ooze talent!
TheFourthHorseman
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I still don't get it.Strider said:
"Almost anything" doesn't make sense.So which topic was this again...oh yes.
Semi-
how about "almost everything"?TheFourthHorseman said:I still don't get it.
edit: oh, you already suggested that. I should learn to read the post in the right order...
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