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[simonc2]

Satori
I can't believe what Im hearing, someone accusing people who listen to prog that they need to grow up so the can listen to music with real attitude and intelligence like Korn. What the hell are you talking about? You categorise Pain of salvation as whiners, but if you actually listen it the singer he has a huge range and uses whatever style he thinks suits the music including the occational scream. BTW how is POS a DT clone, they sound nothing alike, instrumentally or vocally. Personally (Thats right Im not stating my opinion as fact unlike you) I think the one band that whines the most is Korn, maybe when YOU grow up you might learn to be a bit more open minded about music.

BTW I do like Death vocals, they've grown on me just like the emotional vocals of POS.

 

[bleedingskeptic]

i don't understand the whiny aspect of the POS lyrics, especially the first two albums. i love entropia and an hour by the concrete lake, and the lyrics are anything but whiny cheese imo. how the hell is reflecting on this flawed ideal of human progress our society holds cheesy? however, if satori is talking about remedy lane or the perfect element i can SOMEWHAT see what he is talking about, but to each his own. i'm actually curious what POS albums you've heard satori.

 

[Manbient]

i bet he's hear ONE MP3 of Dedication of something hehe

 

[Satori]

Originally posted by simonc2
Satori
I can't believe what Im hearing, someone accusing people who listen to prog that they need to grow up

No, what I said is that I'm sure a lot of you guys who are teenagers who are listening to this poser bullshit will think differently when you hit your mid-20's.

so the can listen to music with real attitude and intelligence like Korn.

Korn? I can see how much consideration you gave to what I said, hhah

What the hell are you talking about?

So sorry you don't know what I'm talking about, but I'll give you a hint, I'm not talking about Korn.

You categorise Pain of salvation as whiners, but if you actually listen it the singer he has a huge range and uses whatever style he thinks suits the music including the occational scream.

The same can be said of your example, Korn. All I know is what I heard of Pos (an entire fruity/whiny album) made me want to puke.

BTW how is POS a DT clone, they sound nothing alike, instrumentally or vocally.

They both do that fake whining bullshit and they both enjoy doing that flashy commericialized maturbatory stuff (aka "American Cheese").

Personally (Thats right Im not stating my opinion as fact unlike you) I think the one band that whines the most is Korn, maybe when YOU grow up you might learn to be a bit more open minded about music.

You see infatuated with Korn dude, are you sure there's something you aren't telling us? hehe

I think I'm about as open minded as I can possibly be about music, I can understand that some people like Cher and some like Gun 'n Rose, I can relate, but I tell as I see it and the way I see it DT and Pos are whiney posers who are more concerned with whining and appearing all pseudo-serious and emotional than they are about creating real music that distances itself from the era of 80's hair bands.

BTW I do like Death vocals, they've grown on me just like the emotional vocals of POS.

Ok then, that's fine. When I was a teenager I liked Dokken so I understand completely. I just no longer have any tolerance for commerical whining and "pretend" pseudo-emotion.

Satori

 

[Satori]

Originally posted by bleedingskeptic
i don't understand the whiny aspect of the POS lyrics, especially the first two albums. i love entropia and an hour by the concrete lake, and the lyrics are anything but whiny cheese imo. how the hell is reflecting on this flawed ideal of human progress our society holds however, if satori is talking about remedy lane or the perfect element i can SOMEWHAT see what he is talking about, but to each his own. i'm actually curious what POS albums you've heard satori.

I've heard 2, one in full (perfect element) and the other I skimmed through (I don't recall the name of this one, I believe it was the latest album at about 6 months ago).

The thing is, I heard lots of great things about pos from this forum, so I was expecting to be impressed, and then the whining and the cheese started and I was shocked that people that are into Opeth could regard this as "real" music. And then I looked at the CD art and thought about the name "Pain of Salvation" and I realized that with such cheesy flashiness I was expecting way more of this band than I should've been.

"Pain of Salvation" has to be the lamest name for a band I've ever heard. When I was in high school I was in a band named Violence of Expression (VOE, actually) and I'm having trouble trying to figure out which name is more ridiculous, but I think Pos is the winner. "Pain" sounds like something from an 80's poser hair-metal band, and "Salvation" sounds all serious and gay (not in a homosexual sense) and favourably religiously slanted. I have to wonder about the intelligence of a group of guys who would actually think that this is a cool name for a band. It's even more cheesy that "Dream Theatre".

flame on...

Satori

 

[SoundMaster]

The name "Dream Theater" really is dreadfully silly, actually.

And reeking with the scent of "american cheese" as Satori stated!

 

[ProgMetalFan]

You've already established your idiocy quite firmly, Satori. No need to overwhelm us.

 

[simonc2]

Originally posted by Satori
No, what I said is that I'm sure a lot of you guys who are teenagers who are listening to this poser bullshit will think differently when you hit your mid-20's.


You speak with such arrogance, it sounds as if you think your opinion on music is some how superior to ours. It's called having different tastes you clueless moron, it sounds fake and cheesy to you but to me it sounds like some of the most beutifull music ever created.
Don't worry Im sure that once my tastes mature like your superior, musically enlightened tastes, I'll stop listening to this "poser bullshit". Its alright to flame a band but to start accusing us of being musically imature for not hating the same bands as you is plain and simply arrogant.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Originally posted by ProgMetalFan
You've already established your idiocy quite firmly, Satori. No need to overwhelm us.

too funny!!!

I guess at 38 years old I'll never reach satori's music maturity! I see this as a positive!

 

[metropolis2k X]

Originally posted by Satori
They both do that fake whining bullshit and they both enjoy doing that flashy commericialized maturbatory stuff (aka "American Cheese").

Er... PoS are from Sweden.

I think Satori is a perfect example of someone bashing something he hasn't given a chance. If he'd listened to Pain of Salvation and I mean really listened and read the lyrics and at least thought about it he would not be saying what he is now.

 

[Satori]

Pos are american cheese regardless of where they are from, and I still think a lot of you teeny-boppers will change your tune about this sort of stuff when you get a little older and you see through the blatant fake poser bullshit.

Ok kiddies, I've grown tired of this nonsense for now so I'm no longer willing to entertain any further discussion on this so this my last visit to this thread, perhaps in a few months I'll start another DT sucks thread to entertain you all and give you a chance to whine, suck each other's clits, and defend your favourite prog/glam bands, hahah

Satori

 

[bleedingskeptic]

and yet he likes 311. if you get to like shit, we do to, hypocrite.

 

[ProgMetalFan]

Originally posted by bleedingskeptic
and yet he likes 311.

 

[J.]

Originally posted by Satori
DT sucks

Isn't this already an established fact?

 

[leafblower]

How someone could say Pain of Salvation is "forced" emotion is beyond me. They are the epitome of true emotion in music. Sure, he isn't growling, but so what? Is it "gay" for a guy to hit a high F#? What makes low notes any less gay than high notes? I happen to think Daniel Gildenlow has the single best voice I've ever heard in my life. In any genre of music. Just cause PoS doesn't growl doesn't mean they are pretentious "dickling dream theater clones"

Comparing them to Dream Theater = Not a good idea. They may seem alike at first, but If you truly listen to PoS and absorb them, you will understand that they are really not that much alike, other than the fact that they both play prog and are groups of awesome musicians.

If someone said Dream Theater is forced emotion, well I wouldn't really have a problem with it. Some of it is forced and bullshit. But you know what, I really dont give a shit about that when I listen to dream theater. I listen to them knowing they are cheesy at times, and maybe a little fruity as well, I acknowledge that. It doesn't mean that they suck though. Even if they are a little gay and self-indulgent at times, their music still rocks for the most part.

To say that just because the word "pain" is in the bands name that it "sounds like something from an 80's poser hair-metal band" well that automatically shows me you are looking for bullshit reasons to insult this band. Try actually listening with no BIAS and reservations, and read the goddamned lyrics and maybe youll enjoy it. If not, thats ok, just show the guys some respect. Believe me PoS is hardly pretentious.


Now, to sum it up for you Satori, it is OK, COMPLETELY OK, if you don't like pain of salvation, quite frankely I couldn't give a fucking shit wheter you do or not. But don't come on to this forum, where you know there are a ton of PoS fans and TROLL.

Saying "I don't really enjoy PoS" Is a lot different from calling it "fucking poser whiney bullshit" The former is quite all right, the latter is just being a stupid troll. How would you like it if someone called one of your favourite bands "fucking stupid cannibal corpse clone dick licking cookie-monster growling fucks" when you know they really are not that at all?

Have some fucking respect and don't troll.

 

[simonc2]

Originally posted by Satori
Pos are american cheese regardless of where they are from, and I still think a lot of you teeny-boppers will change your tune about this sort of stuff when you get a little older and you see through the blatant fake poser bullshit.

One word springs to mind when I read your comments: "patronising".

You obviously didn't read my post which clearly explained how you are arrogant. You are so truelly up yourself about your tastes in music that you accuse us of being teeny boppers for having different tastes to you. People as arrogant as you should not be allowed on these message boards. On second thoughts I must be musically ignorant considering I hate 311 which our musically enlightened friend Satori apparently likes. Or maybe I just have different tastes (not better, not worse).

 

[demon talented]

Satori: Honestly, I really don't like Dream Theater, but I wouldn't dismiss Pain of Salvation as a group. Gildenglow (the singer of PoS) actually has a very wide ranging vocal talent and doesn't sound nearly as a high all the time as LaBrie (in other words, he sings low also). They are indulgent, but they're a good band.

I'm not saying you'll like them that much and so forth, but they're probably worth the second look. If you can, d/l the song "The Perfect Element" which is very, very good.

They're not one of my favorites, but I really do think they are worth respect and aren't nearly as self-indulgent as a band like Dream Theater.

 

[Satori]

Damn, I just couldn't resist coming back to this thread and (in this case) pointing out bleedingskeptic's idiocy:

Originally posted by bleedingskeptic
and yet he likes 311. if you get to like shit, we do to, hypocrite.

Had you bothered to read a little more closely (which you obviously did not, and that's what lead to your error in judgement here) you would find that I have no desire to defend the stuff that I like that's cheese. Unlike the dimwits who got their thongs up their cracks in this thread, I have the BALLS and the courage to freely admit that I like something that's cheesy and blatantly commerical (ie. 311). Unfortunately, this kind of courage isn't very common here.

To amuse the dimwits further, I even still like an old Kiss album from my younger days (Alive 1), but do you think you'll hear me talk about how much artistic integrity this album has? Not a chance. I even like Abba, and the same applies.

Neil Peart said it best: "There came a point in my life when I realized that there was a lot of music which I liked which wasn't very 'good', and a lot of really great music which I didn't like."

I think it's pathetic that I had to spell this out for you all, come on guys, wake up from your self-absorbed stupor. DT and Pos are fucking cheesy and whiney, regardless of whether you like them or not. Hopefully some day the pussies here will have the testicles to actually admit this. One can only hope.

hahah

your beloved voice of reason,

Satori

 

[Satori]

Originally posted by leafblower
How someone could say Pain of Salvation is "forced" emotion is beyond me. They are the epitome of true emotion in music. Sure, he isn't growling, but so what? Is it "gay" for a guy to hit a high F#? What makes low notes any less gay than high notes? I happen to think Daniel Gildenlow has the single best voice I've ever heard in my life. In any genre of music. Just cause PoS doesn't growl doesn't mean they are pretentious "dickling dream theater clones"

Comparing them to Dream Theater = Not a good idea. They may seem alike at first, but If you truly listen to PoS and absorb them, you will understand that they are really not that much alike, other than the fact that they both play prog and are groups of awesome musicians.

If someone said Dream Theater is forced emotion, well I wouldn't really have a problem with it. Some of it is forced and bullshit. But you know what, I really dont give a shit about that when I listen to dream theater. I listen to them knowing they are cheesy at times, and maybe a little fruity as well, I acknowledge that. It doesn't mean that they suck though. Even if they are a little gay and self-indulgent at times, their music still rocks for the most part.

To say that just because the word "pain" is in the bands name that it "sounds like something from an 80's poser hair-metal band" well that automatically shows me you are looking for bullshit reasons to insult this band. Try actually listening with no BIAS and reservations, and read the goddamned lyrics and maybe youll enjoy it. If not, thats ok, just show the guys some respect. Believe me PoS is hardly pretentious.


Now, to sum it up for you Satori, it is OK, COMPLETELY OK, if you don't like pain of salvation, quite frankely I couldn't give a fucking shit wheter you do or not. But don't come on to this forum, where you know there are a ton of PoS fans and TROLL.

Saying "I don't really enjoy PoS" Is a lot different from calling it "fucking poser whiney bullshit" The former is quite all right, the latter is just being a stupid troll. How would you like it if someone called one of your favourite bands "fucking stupid cannibal corpse clone dick licking cookie-monster growling fucks" when you know they really are not that at all?

Have some fucking respect and don't troll.

hehe, I think it's completely ridiculous how seriously you are taking this and how the humour is totally lost on you. Lighten up, geesh

Also, I see you are all thinking that I'm some sort of hardcore death metal freaks, but I'm not at all, in fact if it were not for Opeth I wouldn't give a rat's ass about this genre.

Satori

 

[Satori]

Originally posted by TheLedTool
Satori: Honestly, I really don't like Dream Theater, but I wouldn't dismiss Pain of Salvation as a group. Gildenglow (the singer of PoS) actually has a very wide ranging vocal talent and doesn't sound nearly as a high all the time as LaBrie (in other words, he sings low also). They are indulgent, but they're a good band.

I'm not saying you'll like them that much and so forth, but they're probably worth the second look. If you can, d/l the song "The Perfect Element" which is very, very good.

They're not one of my favorites, but I really do think they are worth respect and aren't nearly as self-indulgent as a band like Dream Theater.

I don't recall saying that I don't have respect for them as talented musicians. I do (even DT). I also have a lot of respect for the Beyonce chick from Destiny's Child who is just an amazing singer. That doesn't mean I don't also think she is a sell-out.
That's the difference.

Simarily, one of my heros is Phil Collins, fucking awesome drummer (early Genesis), but he is a total cheese-machine who makes me ill now.

The real difference is that I can make the distinction, something many people here seem unable to do, which is not all that surprising I suppose.

I think some people lack the nads to admit that they actually like cheese.

Everyone seems to be thinking that I don't like these bands cuz they sing high. I don't recall saying this, that's just an assumption everyone seems to enjoy making. I love Yes, and vocals don't get much higher pitched than that (I don't like their cheesiness that much though, and boy are they cheesy at times).

Satori