How often do you use the same guitar rig on both L and R channels?

[sam14]

Always the same for me, I find songs that have drastically different tones L/R piss me off to no end

 

[Ermz]

For instance, Say I record the first passage through with a 6505 and Mesa Cab with a 57 on the grill. Say every knob is @ 6 o'clock.

Once that passage is recorded, swap out the 6505 head for a Mesa Triple Rectifier head and keep the same settings. all knobs @ 6 o'clock as well and record that passage.

Then pan one hard left and the other hard right. This way,
the rig stays the same practically except the head change so you really have this slight tone tonal difference that really fills out the rhythm guitars.

Of course, you'll have to make sure the level of the signal matches that of the other head but that's not a big deal or hard to do. This is a method I'll usually do If I'm looking for more broader range guitars than just the exact same rig panned left and right.

You've got to be taking the piss. There is absolutely no conceivably viable reason someone should ever want to do this.

The effect a pot's position has on an amp is dictated by the circuit, and all amps have their own unique circuits. 12 o'clock on one amp in no way corresponds to the same on another. The tonal differences these produce are effectively arbitrary between heads, and have no connection to each other whatsoever.

More-over applying the same post-processing preset to different amps dialed in this manner is just.... it's bad engineering.

Sorry, I just thought it was important to point this out in case some of the newer guys on here read this and thought it would in any way be a wise thing to do, ever.

 

[StefTD]

just tried to imagine how a triple recto is going to sound with the settings I like on a 5150...brrr

 

[Derykus]

I always have at least one thing different. Mic position, guitar, head, head settings, speaker, cab, or a combination. What's the point of stereo otherwise? Same settings on both sides make the mix sound small and boring to me, and more often than not an annoying frequency in the tone that is recorded becomes fairly obvious come mix time.

Just because the equipment is different doesn't mean the difference will be drastic. If you dial in great tones, 2 badass tones are better than 1.

 

[Pot]

You've got to be taking the piss. There is absolutely no conceivably viable reason someone should ever want to do this.

The effect a pot's position has on an amp is dictated by the circuit, and all amps have their own unique circuits. 12 o'clock on one amp in no way corresponds to the same on another. The tonal differences these produce are effectively arbitrary between heads, and have no connection to each other whatsoever.

More-over applying the same post-processing preset to different amps dialed in this manner is just.... it's bad engineering.

Sorry, I just thought it was important to point this out in case some of the newer guys on here read this and thought it would in any way be a wise thing to do, ever.

well i just laughed, but ermz post is indeed more construtive and educational...

 

[plague_rider]

just tried to imagine how a triple recto is going to sound with the settings I like on a 5150...brrr

 

[bryan_kilco]

I always have at least one thing different. Mic position, guitar, head, head settings, speaker, cab, or a combination. What's the point of stereo otherwise? Same settings on both sides make the mix sound small and boring to me, and more often than not an annoying frequency in the tone that is recorded becomes fairly obvious come mix time.

Just because the equipment is different doesn't mean the difference will be drastic. If you dial in great tones, 2 badass tones are better than 1.

+1

I'm mostly an ampsim guy, but I run the same "rig" left and right, except maybe a different impulse or slight different EQ (pre/post, or both). I'll use a different head for leads though.

 

[Siriun]

You've got to be taking the piss. There is absolutely no conceivably viable reason someone should ever want to do this.

The effect a pot's position has on an amp is dictated by the circuit, and all amps have their own unique circuits. 12 o'clock on one amp in no way corresponds to the same on another. The tonal differences these produce are effectively arbitrary between heads, and have no connection to each other whatsoever.

More-over applying the same post-processing preset to different amps dialed in this manner is just.... it's bad engineering.

Sorry, I just thought it was important to point this out in case some of the newer guys on here read this and thought it would in any way be a wise thing to do, ever.

I do appreciate the criticism and explaining things out from a much more experienced engineer's perspective. I appreciate that.

I do understand and know that each head has different circuitry, and that just because you dial in everything at noon, it's going to sound different. And that maybe because one setting works on one head, it wont on the other.
Maybe it's just because my ignorance in this subject but I don't see why this method is so wrong to do? I honestly like the way it sounds. But please feel free to kindly educate me and correct out my flaw if I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Oh and I don't use copy paste post processing. I'm under the assumption you were refering to post EQing so it's the same? No, I don't do that. I like to get my tones dialed straight from the amp. and I'll use the 'everything at noon' to start off so I can start dialing in tones. Anyway, that's off topic.

 

[Clockwork]

I do appreciate the criticism and explaining things out from a much more experienced engineer's perspective. I appreciate that.

I do understand and know that each head has different circuitry, and that just because you dial in everything at noon, it's going to sound different. And that maybe because one setting works on one head, it wont on the other.
Maybe it's just because my ignorance in this subject but I don't see why this method is so wrong to do? I honestly like the way it sounds. But please feel free to kindly educate me and correct out my flaw if I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Oh and I don't use copy paste post processing. I'm under the assumption you were refering to post EQing so it's the same? No, I don't do that. I like to get my tones dialed straight from the amp. and I'll use the 'everything at noon' to start off so I can start dialing in tones. Anyway, that's off topic.

What is even the point of dialing the tone in just on the amp if the amp on the opposite channel is going to sound entirely different. That's like saying you only dial in half your guitar tones and that half determine randomly the sound of the other.

 

[006]

I do appreciate the criticism and explaining things out from a much more experienced engineer's perspective. I appreciate that.

I do understand and know that each head has different circuitry, and that just because you dial in everything at noon, it's going to sound different. And that maybe because one setting works on one head, it wont on the other.
Maybe it's just because my ignorance in this subject but I don't see why this method is so wrong to do? I honestly like the way it sounds. But please feel free to kindly educate me and correct out my flaw if I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Oh and I don't use copy paste post processing. I'm under the assumption you were refering to post EQing so it's the same? No, I don't do that. I like to get my tones dialed straight from the amp. and I'll use the 'everything at noon' to start off so I can start dialing in tones. Anyway, that's off topic.

There is nothing really "wrong" with what you are doing. Myself and Ermin and others were just stating that the same settings don't transfer between amps. But you seem to completely understand that, so, carry on and do your thing. If you like it and it works for you then keep rolling with it.

 

[Star Ark]

Almost always 100% but I will adjust the settings slightly for each side. If the amp has a contour or sweep knob I normally adjust that a little bit to make each side different. I don't have a the luxury of several good guitars setup for specific string gauges so I use the same guitar each side so the intonation is consistent. I think I would prefer two guitars with different pickups using the exact same amp settings if I could manage it.

 

[Deuteronomy]

100%.

 

[ShipwreckSoundWorks]

Same L/R. No exceptions. I can't stand otherwise.