I find Black Sabbath albums "Black Sabbath" and "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" to be BARELY metal albums

[Slammed]

It's nearly 6pm on a Friday arvo, he's probably hopped on his push bike and is trundling home with his drink bottle helmet on firmly and his little bell dinging away on the handlebars to let people know he's coming.

 

[CiG]

"Jimmy! Dinner's ready!"

Spoiler

 

[Texas King]

Come on, guys. Let's get back to the topic.

When it comes to early Sabbath, they had a ton of blues influence. Tony Iommi's guitar playing was very bluesy and heavily influenced by Jimi Hendrix, who played bluesy acid rock. It wasn't until Stained Class that metal started to really discard the blues elements and become locked into a "style". So I consider Stained Class to be the first pure metal album and the most influential record on the sound of NWOBHM.
Metal sprang from 70's Black Sabbath, but they were much more than just a metal band. Dio-era Sabbath is something totally different than early Sabbath, it was pure 80's heavy metal without blues elements.

Sabbath invented the metal genre, but I disagree with the statement that all metal music is influenced by 70's Black Sabbath. Power metal has zero musical influence from early BS. I could also say that classic 80's heavy metal was much more influenced by Deep Purple's "In Rock" than Black Sabbath's "Paranoid".

 

[CiG]

If they invented metal, they therefore influence all metal.

What power metal are you referring to exactly? I hear Sabbath influence on say, Manowar's debut. Or does that not count? The problem here is when you start citing albums as examples when those albums were primarily influenced by earlier albums in the genre that had more Sabbath influence in them, but by the time it becomes the kind of power metal most people would recognize as such, the filtering process has happened.

"Children of the Grave" and then in '74 with "Symptom of the Universe" are both heavy as fuck songs with a faster tempo than Sabbath usually has, and the latter even sounds like a proto-thrash song.

 

[Texas King]

What power metal are you referring to exactly? I hear Sabbath influence on say, Manowar's debut. Or does that not count? The problem here is when you start citing albums as examples when those albums were primarily influenced by earlier albums in the genre that had more Sabbath influence in them, but by the time it becomes the kind of power metal most people would recognize as such, the filtering process has happened.

Manowar is not power metal. First power metal band is Helloween and their album Keeper of the Seven Keys: Part I from 1987 is the first power metal album. It sounds nothing like early Sabbath.

 

[Slammed]

Manowar isn't power metal?
Surely the only place Manowar isn't power metal is in wikipedia.
And surely if Helloween were the first power metal band that would make Jericho the first power metal album.

 

[Texas King]

Manowar isn't power metal?
Surely the only place Manowar isn't power metal is in wikipedia.
And surely if Helloween were the first power metal band that would make Jericho the first power metal album.

Nope. Jericho was speed metal, not power metal.

 

[Slammed]

Well colour me educated.
What other pearls of wisdom have you got?

 

[Grievous]

i'll just advise you to explore the genre more instead of listing dozens and dozens of bands here that have their own sound in their respective sub genres.

And I will ignore your pointless advice.

 

[Krow]

Nope. Jericho was speed metal, not power metal.

ahh speed metal, that pretend genre between thrash and power metal.

 

[The Ozzman]

I thought this was the Shitposting Thread for a second there

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

And I will ignore your pointless advice.

And i was trying to be nice too. Yeah, i can tell you're going to be a good one .... been here for less than a week and already showcasing your ignorance.

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I don't really consider Manowar or Walls of Jericho to be power metal either.

 

[Oblivious Maximus]

Has anyone formulated a change of discern?

 

[CiG]

Manowar is not power metal. First power metal band is Helloween and their album Keeper of the Seven Keys: Part I from 1987 is the first power metal album. It sounds nothing like early Sabbath.

Nope. Jericho was speed metal, not power metal.

Just plain wrong and fucking stupid.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Actually anyone who would argue against those two statements is pretty much a dunce. Walls of Jericho is not a full on power metal album and Manowar are not really a power metal band. You yourself have said they're "epic heavy metal", numerous times.

 

[CiG]

Manowar are a USPM band, and his statement up there is just another example of how he seems incapable of understanding that the bands who start genres won't sound the same as the bands they influenced. Hail to England is blatantly a power metal album, released 3 years prior to Halloween's sophomore, and that's just one example.

Anybody who thinks power metal begins in 1987 just straight up has no clue what the fuck they're talking about.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

comparing one of the bands that created a genre to a band that inspired a subgenre is pretty ridiculous imo.

So are Dio, Priest and Iron Maiden Power Metal bands?

And LMFAO for implying that Hail to England is a fucking power metal album. Sounds like you're the one here who has no clue.

 

[CiG]

I didn't imply, I outright stated it because it's a fact mate lmfao.

comparing one of the bands that created a genre to a band that inspired a subgenre is pretty ridiculous imo.

Why?

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

bahahhaha read what you quoted. Are you still half asleep?

And again .... are Dio, Maiden, Priest etc power metal bands?

 

[Slammed]

Oh no mummy and daddy are fighting again and it's not clear who is right.