Iced Earth - The Crucible of Man
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oh i missed those, but 'warming up' makes me think it sucks but maybe its better if I force myself to listen to it 12 times 
KaptainKrude
Your Psychotic Companion
I spun it once and paid attention... got halfway through it a second time and killed it off. Take Barlow out of the picture and I've no real reason to like this album. FA grew on me after a while, but I have serious doubts about this one. Matt sounds quite fine to these ears, but all the mid-tempo plodding just leaves me cold in this particular case. It's like a pot of waiter that needs to reach a boiling point but never clears lukewarm. Given all the time Schaeffer took to pull of this whole thing, along with all the personnel changes and whatnot, as a whole, it just doesn't deliver compared to the hype. I'm glad to hear Barlow again -- very much so -- and I'll eventually give this one more attention to see if it grows on me, but right now I suspect I'll be reaching for older material and even the Pyramaze disc before The Crucible of Man.
General Zod
Ruler of Australia
It's an OK disc. I suspect to some extent, Iced Earth has fallen victim to the high standards people hold them to. I suspect most of the reviews would be gushing if this was some unknown band. There seems to be no fire or energy behind many of these songs. Regardless, I'll buy it the day it comes out.
Zod
edgeofthorns
24 Hours Ago...
there hasnt been a positive review in this thread and your still thinking its amazing....fanboy
I haven't heard it dude, but I'll buy it once it's released. I'll let you know once that happens. On another note, feel free to refer to me as a JOP, CIIC, Savatage and TSO fanboy at any time though.
~Brian~
Jasonic
Doom On!
You know, there comes a certain point in a band's career where they have accomplished all they are really going to do without breaking out commercially. Iced Earth has reached that point. It happens to many bands.
I think IE should try to get on a major tour supporting a band in the States, like Metallica, Priest, Maiden, etc. Almost everyone into hard rock or metal has at least "heard" of Iced Earth. If they were to open for a heavyweight headliner, it could propel them to that next level (without impacting their artistic integrity, etc).
Another headline US tour for Iced Earth with B to C level openers is a definite miss for a lot of people (been there....done that....)
I think IE should try to get on a major tour supporting a band in the States, like Metallica, Priest, Maiden, etc. Almost everyone into hard rock or metal has at least "heard" of Iced Earth. If they were to open for a heavyweight headliner, it could propel them to that next level (without impacting their artistic integrity, etc).
Another headline US tour for Iced Earth with B to C level openers is a definite miss for a lot of people (been there....done that....)
General Zod
Ruler of Australia
Agreed.
I'm sured they;ve tried and tried. I'm guessing Jon would give his left nut for that, but those headliners are uninterested.
Zod
Iced Dog
The Stormrider's Pooch
CoM isn't hugely more aggressive (than FA) by any means, but that's OK, I don't judge albums by how heavy they are Jon's writing style has obviously evolved...for better, worse, or neither depending on who you ask. On one hand people complain he recycles riffs, but other people complain when every song doesn't have the trademark triplets or gallop, but rather has something fresh like the world music elements, choir arrangements, or other progressive touches...it's a no-win situation in some circles. The most common complaint I've seen is that it's too mid-tempo...but unless you compare it to say, Night Of The Stormrider, I'd say it's fairly comparable tempo-wise to any other IE album...they all feature a blend of tempos, which is a good thing IMO. But I agree that the standards for an IE album are pretty high, and those for this SW concept were impossibly high.
As far as touring as a headliner for a household name, Jon has talked about that before, as continuing to headline is "preaching to the choir" so to speak...just hasn't happened yet, aside from the tour with Megadeth several years back.
Jon's writing style has obviously evolved...for better, worse, or neither depending on who you ask. On one hand people complain he recycles riffs, but other people complain when every song doesn't have the trademark triplets or gallop, but rather has something fresh like the world music elements, choir arrangements, or other progressive touches...it's a no-win situation in some circles. The most common complaint I've seen is that it's too mid-tempo...but unless you compare it to say, Night Of The Stormrider, I'd say it's fairly comparable tempo-wise to any other IE album...they all feature a blend of tempos, which is a good thing IMO. But I agree that the standards for an IE album are pretty high, and those for this SW concept were impossibly high.As far as touring as a headliner for a household name, Jon has talked about that before, as continuing to headline is "preaching to the choir" so to speak...just hasn't happened yet, aside from the tour with Megadeth several years back.
Jasonic
Doom On!
I am sure IE has tried to get on bigger tours.
Well, they did some Euro shows opening for H&H last year, didn't they?
I saw them opening for Megadeth on the first leg of the Horror Show tour, and they were VERY well received.
I think they would shine as support for a major headliner.
Think about some of the crap openers you have seen on major arena tours.
Just a suggestion for a way for IE to reinvent themselves without changing their style or sound.
Well, they did some Euro shows opening for H&H last year, didn't they?
I saw them opening for Megadeth on the first leg of the Horror Show tour, and they were VERY well received.
I think they would shine as support for a major headliner.
Think about some of the crap openers you have seen on major arena tours.
Just a suggestion for a way for IE to reinvent themselves without changing their style or sound.
So why dont they stop recording shit albums and be troo as fuck like the might bolt thrower?
DoomsdayZach
The Professor was right
Dude... bolt thrower! Fucking awesome on every album i've heard... which unfortunately is only the latest two.
Looks like i have some downloadin' to do. Brb.
Looks like i have some downloadin' to do. Brb.
Jasonic
Doom On!
I wouldn't say they record shit albums.
Just that the formula has grown stale.
No more "wow" factor when a new IE album has been released.
For me, this began when Horror Show was first released.
Many love this album, but to me it always sounded uninspired.
This is happening to MANY bands who have been around for 10 years or longer (IE - BG, HammerFall, Edguy, Sonata, etc, etc).
It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't....
For bands like IE and HammerFall who don't change the formula, they get slammed for releasing the same album over and over.
If a band does change the formula a bit (IE - Sonata), older fans cry that it doesn't sound like their classic material.
Maybe Nevermore has it right, in taking time off, letting those who want to do solo projects, etc.
You should've went on that 4th of july sale, a whole bunch of BT albums for sale for like 8$ on CMDistro, which ones u got now!?
@jason;
I really cant say 2 albums sound the same but I don't think it has nearly any good songwriting in years, and tbh I gotta say it's more about the money for IE than anything else. How I feel I guess
Mynock
French Toast
there hasnt been a positive review in this thread and your still thinking its amazing....fanboy
It would be worse in my opinion if he just went along the partyline and nodded "yeah it sucks". That'd scream "sheep" to me.
That being said, I happen to like it. It's not mindblowing or anything, and I loved Framing Armageddon. My only regret with this one is it does indeed have too many mid-tempo songs.
Doesn't matter if everybody else hates it, that's not gonna change my opinion of it. If I like it, I like it.
General Zod
Ruler of Australia
It's growing on me. Not because I'm forcing it, just because there's quality here, it's just not what I was expecting.
[Baseball-Metal-Analogy]I look at it this way... a band isn't going to hit a home run every time up. With that said, I was expecting a grand slam, this is more like a double off the wall.[/Baseball-Metal-Analogy]
Zod
[Baseball-Metal-Analogy]I look at it this way... a band isn't going to hit a home run every time up. With that said, I was expecting a grand slam, this is more like a double off the wall.[/Baseball-Metal-Analogy]
Zod
Mynock
French Toast
General Zod
Ruler of Australia
English to French translation... it's pretty good.*scratches his frenchie-introduced-to-baseball-by-the-girlfriend-last-year head*
Zod
Iced Earth was confirmed to open before Anthrax on Judas Priest's "Demolition" tour in 2001. Unfortunately, the tour got postponed due to 9-11, and rather than wait for the later dates Iced Earth opted to do a European tour. That was mistake IMO.
General Zod
Ruler of Australia
Hard to say. Without knowing the logistics, financial position of the band, etc. They may have had to tour then and there.
Zod
Rycher
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