Impulse vs Cab (in the mix)
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guitarguru777
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We are not hating. We are simply stating that they are static and they are not as dynamic as the real deal.
C_F_H_13
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Skaldir
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Its not WE though. Its a small group of very militant people.
I will do another in the mix test myself, so that I know that everything has been done correct. German correctness, you know?
Its not WE though. Its a small group of very militant people.
I will do another in the mix test myself, so that I know that everything has been done correct. German correctness, you know?
Well, I'd say "small group of very militant people" is inaccurate. I think most people lie somewhere in the "impulses aren't quite as good as micing real cabs, but work for a lot of people for reason X". The "impulses are just as good, you can't spot the difference" and "impulses just fall apart in a mix" are just the extremes, and even out of those I think the latter is a bigger group.
guitarguru777
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Its not WE though. Its a small group of very militant people.
I will do another in the mix test myself, so that I know that everything has been done correct. German correctness, you know?
You are never going to win this. Its just NOT the same. Just cause you think there is no difference doesn't mean there isn't. Its very very obvious in a mix which performance has dynamics and which one doesn't.
We are not saying impulses are bad, just thay they are not the same as the real thing. Would a listener who was not into music production notice it? Probably not. Would we as producers notice it? Yes.
kev
Im guybrush threepwood
The whole "listener" debacle i think is interesting. Like us on here, we've found it bloody hard to pick between the real cabs and the impulsed ones and the average listeners surely couldnt in an A B test. But one thing is for sure, a better production sells albums and whilst they cant pin point exactly whats going on they will be able to tell you that it sounds like shit even though they wont know why.
Trevoire520
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I find the left one has a harsher pick attack, and the right sounds a bit smoother/darker. I'm only listening on headphones mind you.
JeffTD
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GG is spot on, as usual.
Seriously - whoever brought up the 'end listener doesn't notice so it doesn't matter' debate is an idiot for being on this forum if they think that matters.
Everyone knows the end listener doesn't care and usually listens on shitty systems. We've known this ever since the iPod was released and became huge.
NOBODY WHO MAKES RECORDS REALLY CARES. We still strive for that last 10%. Mixing has nothing to do with pleasing regular jack-offs on the street.
Clockwork
Bass playing guy.
I wasn't being serious with the hating part, I recognize there are distinct differences in the sounds of impulses and real cabs. But I don't understand why people keep posting these test threads. No one will really change anyone's mind who is hardcore into the use of real cabs or impulses. People are just going to do what they want regardless and that's not a bad thing.
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I only voted right cos I thought it sounded nicer, not because I had any idea which one was actually which lol.
Melb_shredder
Orpheus: Melodic Death
Again, I'll say it even from personal experience... If the less useful REAL tone we got, was chosen over the better sounding IMPULSE tone for our album pretty much without a second thought... Then I'm very convinced. There's no elitism in any of this. They have their uses and and can work for a lot of stuff... But after checking this out first hand, I can easily see how they can be a detriment to an overall mix over a real micd tone.
JeffTD
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I like how the big guns in support of impulses sounding better or "just as good" haven't posted in here at all.
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also i'd just like to point out that everyone beats around the bush and nobody even tries to intricately explain what the fuck they're hearing
people dog cky for using an octaver as part of their tone, so of course people are going to dog musicians for using impulses as part of the tone
sometimes i don't want dynamics
i would not make music at all if i had to make more noise than the movie my girlfriend is watching
people dog cky for using an octaver as part of their tone, so of course people are going to dog musicians for using impulses as part of the tone
sometimes i don't want dynamics
i would not make music at all if i had to make more noise than the movie my girlfriend is watching
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Derpsicle
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Skaldir
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Please don't get silly. I'm not on the side of the impulses and fight against mic'ing cabs. That is just bullshit.
I just wanted to show that impulses are not as bad as their reputation, because a lot of people made mistakes in the chain creating them.
I remember sombody posting a solo comparision where the impulse sounded way harsher and totally different than the real thing.
And those clips let some people make conclusions that the whole method of convolution is bad. Its just wrong. In the theory every LTI system can be described with convolution. And that is f.e filters, rooms.
I don't ever said I like impulses better and I am very interested in further shootouts why it should be different in a whole mix and want to really find out why it is that way.
But people like you make, that only see black and white, make it very hard to even care about finding out.
I don't take any side but I don't make my life as easy and just repeat what others said instead of questioning things!
There are people on this board like Ermz, who has my full respect. his productions are just amazing and have a lot of depth and love for the detail and the big picture.
And there are free-riders that can't hear anything put have the same opinion as Ermz cause HE has an opinion they can identify with.
Even Jeff did everything wrong in my solo'ed shootout even he eq'ed the files and whatnot.
Also the next generation of impulses everybody's waiting for is already developed with Nebula that can capture non-linearities. The missing bit of extra we all miss in normal impulses.
Who is interested go that way with me?
