Impulse vs Cab (in the mix)

[BlackwingGabriel]

Im with you, Unicorn.

Morgan, could you please upload the .wavs version? 192 kbps MP3s is errrr... (I don't want to take this argument to .mp3 vs .wav thing )

 

[Morgan C]

Also the next generation of impulses everybody's waiting for is already developed with Nebula that can capture non-linearities. The missing bit of extra we all miss in normal impulses.

Who is interested go that way with me?

If Nebula was my favourite one out of the last bunch, then that's great. As much as I'd love to be a 'proper engineer', it's just not feasible for me atm, and if I can get as good, if not better results, from a software program then that's fantastic. I'd love if Nebula was as good/better than real amps.

Im with you, Unicorn.

Morgan, could you please upload the .wavs version? 192 kbps MP3s is errrr... (I don't want to take this argument to .mp3 vs .wav thing )

I can do that. I'm at work atm. However you can just download the backing track and mess around yourself, if you'd like. Include Nebula in there, make separate files with both sides being the same, process yourself, etc. The mp3 compression on the backing track shouldn't affect your decision.

 

[AeternusEternus]

yeah it should

give us something lossless and give us two separate audio files so my semi-deaf right ear can tell the difference

 

[AeternusEternus]

the files have not been presented correctly until all parties realize that impulses, cabs, and nebula are all acceptable formats. they are all only acceptable when you know the pros/cons of each and use them to a recording's advantage. if you're using impulses and going for a dynamic sound, you are using them for their disadvantages. do not be a stupid engineer. fuck i am drunk.

 

[Morgan C]

yeah it should

give us something lossless and give us two separate audio files so my semi-deaf right ear can tell the difference

Say please!

I'll upload a few .wav files tonight but I'm not going to go making a ton of different combinations for everyone. I'll post up the EQ I used if you want to completely recreate it, but you'll have the backing tracks, you have the lossless guitar tracks, do it yourself. Please.

 

[AeternusEternus]

we only need one combination

edit: lossless and separated

 

[Morgan C]

we only need one combination

edit: lossless and separated

um, elaborate on separated? XD Just the backing?

 

[AeternusEternus]

themixwitharealcab.wav

themixwithanimpulse.wav

that is what we should be downloading

 

[Clockwork]

the files have not been presented correctly until all parties realize that impulses, cabs, and nebula are all acceptable formats. they are all only acceptable when you know the pros/cons of each and use them to a recording's advantage. if you're using impulses and going for a dynamic sound, you are using them for their disadvantages. do not be a stupid engineer. fuck i am drunk.

This post is awesome for several reasons.

 

[AeternusEternus]

the only reason that matters being that i am druuuuuuuuuunk

 

[AeternusEternus]

if i ever tour to your country, brandy and diet dr pepper is my drink ok

 

[Ermz]

Also the next generation of impulses everybody's waiting for is already developed with Nebula that can capture non-linearities. The missing bit of extra we all miss in normal impulses.

Who is interested go that way with me?

Been on that train for a while! If you recall the original Nebula thread we made about cab programs... was it 2 years ago now? It was attempted, but at the time nobody quite knew what they were doing, the devs weren't helping us much, and the results had a really bizarre character, which was actually further from the real cab than the standard IR was!

I'm all for pushing Nebula to the limits here. Some people whose judgment I trust picked 'B' in your shoot-out, right along with me, so I'm optimistic that there's some potential there. Maybe now that the program is matured, and we have you - who knows what he's doing - we can have more luck this time around.

Worst case scenario, Jeff and I will just get back to pestering Jocke...

 

[Fama]

themixwitharealcab.wav

themixwithanimpulse.wav

that is what we should be downloading

Turn your master to mono and use pan on the track with the mono'd mix. That way you can get just themixwitharealcab or themixwithanimpulse.

 

[guitarguru777]

GG is spot on, as usual.


Seriously - whoever brought up the 'end listener doesn't notice so it doesn't matter' debate is an idiot for being on this forum if they think that matters.

Everyone knows the end listener doesn't care and usually listens on shitty systems. We've known this ever since the iPod was released and became huge.

NOBODY WHO MAKES RECORDS REALLY CARES. We still strive for that last 10%. Mixing has nothing to do with pleasing regular jack-offs on the street.

I would make one change to this ....

Listeners not giving a shit started before the iPod, it started with MP3's in general becoming the accepted digital format. Bit I do agree 100%

 

[AeternusEternus]

Turn your master to mono and use pan on the track with the mono'd mix. That way you can get just themixwitharealcab or themixwithanimpulse.

so i need to do extra work to listen to this experiment where i already know how it ends is what you're saying

 

[drew_drummer]

Just spent three days recording guitars for the new TNBD album. Fuck impulses. Give me a 421 and a 57, and a 4x12 cab.

 

[Line666]

I would make one change to this ....

Listeners not giving a shit started before the iPod, it started with MP3's in general becoming the accepted digital format. Bit I do agree 100%

Actually I'd like to see how many users on this forum could differentiate between a lossless file and a properly bounced 128kbs mp3.

 

[Morgan C]

Actually I'd like to see how many users on this forum could differentiate between a lossless file and a properly bounced 128kbs mp3.

I made a thread about that a while back. 128kpbs, 192, 320 and lossless. Most people could tell which was the 128kbps (I couldn't even do that.. :/ ), some people could tell which was the 192kpbs but most couldn't and I don't think anyone could tell the 320 vs wav.

 

[Morgan C]

Lossless files here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/324723/In teh mix.rar

Included are 3 separate files, guitars the same on either side, one mix has impulse, one has Nebula and one has real guitars. The lossless backing is included. The results are included in a txt doc. Try not to spoil it in the thread for a day or so.

 

[Ermz]

I made a thread about that a while back. 128kpbs, 192, 320 and lossless. Most people could tell which was the 128kbps (I couldn't even do that.. :/ ), some people could tell which was the 192kpbs but most couldn't and I don't think anyone could tell the 320 vs wav.

Actually some of us picked all of them. If we're talking about the Watershed test?