Impulses rock

[Torniojaws]

Hmm, how do you use it with Pristine Space? I succeeded in applying the wave file to my FX Send output recording of my Powerball, but the file is EXTREMELY quiet, and when I manually lift it back to normal volume, there's a very high pitched sine-type pitchsquealing on top of it, and despite having an average RMS of -15 dB, it's still very quiet. There must be something I missed in Pristince Space... any ideas?

Here's the processed test recording:

http://koti.mbnet.fi/juhau/test.mp3

I also tried adjusting the output volumes in Pristince Space, but much much before it was at usable level, I suddenly only got static signal which peaked at +24 dB :S

 

[Torniojaws]

Edit:

Oooh, nevermind, Voxengo Boogex worked like a charm

Here's some samples:

Processed with kaomao's 5150 .wav:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/juhau/test2-impulse.mp3

Original recording through Powerball FX Send:
http://koti.mbnet.fi/juhau/test2-fxsend.mp3

 

[kaomao]

Hey torniojaws you have linked to the same file.

 

[Torniojaws]

Fixed

Anyways, here's a quickie riff test I did on "full scale" with the impulse system (4 guitar tracks + "bass" aka pitchshifted guitar):

http://koti.mbnet.fi/juhau/Impulse.mp3

Not bad for an FX loop recording

Just for comparison, here's a recording I did yesterday in the real way, miked up cabinet:

http://koti.mbnet.fi/juhau/anthromorph.mp3

I frankly can't find any difference in the real recording and the impulse way except mic placement differences - but the basic sound is damn near identical and this way is much more reliable when recording over months (like me ), the sound stays consistent

 

[kaomao]

Now we all have to say this: Line6 fuck you!
Impulses are fucking better than the shitty cabs line6 has modelled

 

[Splat88]

Now we all have to say this: Line6 fuck you!
Impulses are fucking better than the shitty cabs line6 has modelled

I'd have to agree! They claim they use impulse modeling, but I don't see how there's any way. The real impulse files definitely have a 'real' vibe to them, which I don't hear anywhere in the POD. Also, I don't know if this holds any value, but their firmware for version 3.01 is only 385kilobytes. I know each of my impulses are about 40kilobytes. 46 cabinets with 4 mic positions each would be close to 7MB in impulse files only. That's not even considering the space required for all the amp models, effects, etc. I guess they could have some sort of file compression, but 7MB down to 385k? I don't think so.

I bet the new modelers will feature better impulse files, at least I hope!

 

[ConspiracyBass]

Damn this impluse shit is so fucking interesting. Hah.

 

[Suicide_As_Alibi]

Also, I don't know if this holds any value, but their firmware for version 3.01 is only 385kilobytes. I know each of my impulses are about 40kilobytes. 46 cabinets with 4 mic positions each would be close to 7MB in impulse files only.

Probably because your files are all .wavs, whereas the POD ones are probably just one actual impulse style file and then a simple eq for each mic position - you can save 16-band eq settings in a file of around 50bytes.

You have to rememeber that the running impulses is intensive processor-wise; most plug-ins have a latency. The POD has way less processing power than your computer but still has to model an amp, any effects, and the cab, AND it has to avoid latency because it's designed (partly) for live use.

Steve

 

[Splat88]

Probably because your files are all .wavs, whereas the POD ones are probably just one actual impulse style file and then a simple eq for each mic position - you can save 16-band eq settings in a file of around 50bytes.

You have to rememeber that the running impulses is intensive processor-wise; most plug-ins have a latency. The POD has way less processing power than your computer but still has to model an amp, any effects, and the cab, AND it has to avoid latency because it's designed (partly) for live use.

Steve

Yeah, I guess they would save it as an EQ curve rather than an actual impulse, but still, the POD cabs and impulses sounds totally different. Even the really bad impulses at least sound like a horribly miced up guitar speaker. Horrible, yet real at the same time. There's a a certain 'live' element to it. The POD cabs just sound fake to me - not real at all.

 

[Keregioz]

I may be wrong in this, since i haven't experimented with the impulses as much as i want, but i don't think they are THAT much better than pod cabs. They sounded great when i played, but when i placed them in a mix they didn't sound that much different than the pod cabs would. I've only tried podxt amp sims with the impulses though... maybe they work better with real amps line out?.

 

[::XeS::]

Pod cab simulator sounds not real at all. They can sound good but..not real. If you compare a riff recorded through an amp (for example one of the riff posted by andy on this forum) and a riff recorded with pod, there is a lot of difference...If you compare a riff with one recorded with impulse...it's similar..there isn't the "plastic" sound on it, there is the "low end" when you play a palm mute (with v-amp you don't ear any low end with palm mute).
The difficult thing is play guitar without cab simulator when you record: you have not the right "sensibility" because you ear a different "sound" with that raw distortion.

 

[ConspiracyBass]

Heres my impulse test. I tried to get the best Randall tone I could, but I haven't heard a Randall in years, so I don't know how close I came. Either way....

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/funk99x/impulse_test_1.mp3

Also, playing is a little sloppy as I'm a bit sick and on medication.

 

[Keregioz]

Pod cab simulator sounds not real at all. They can sound good but..not real. If you compare a riff recorded through an amp (for example one of the riff posted by andy on this forum) and a riff recorded with pod, there is a lot of difference...If you compare a riff with one recorded with impulse...it's similar..there isn't the "plastic" sound on it, there is the "low end" when you play a palm mute (with v-amp you don't ear any low end with palm mute).
The difficult thing is play guitar without cab simulator when you record: you have not the right "sensibility" because you ear a different "sound" with that raw distortion.

I can still hear the "plastic" element of pod when using the impulses...especially in a full mix.

 

[Wadi]

sorry to hijack...what about bass cab impulses now?

 

[Splat88]

I can still hear the "plastic" element of pod when using the impulses...especially in a full mix.

That's the POD, not the impulses. THe PODxt tone into a poweramp is not very good.

 

[Splat88]

sorry to hijack...what about bass cab impulses now?

You can find them at a website called the noisevault. There's some good bass cabs on there.

 

[hogan666]

Maybe I'm a dumbass,...
but could someone tell me how to use the impulses right?!

I recorded my guitar clean and normaly I use Amplitube which is fine for my needs. For the impulse-method I just disable the cab in amplitube and boogex or IR-L from waves to simulate the cab (I use the 5150 impulse from Kaomao).

My problem is, that I didn't know how to use IR-L or Boogex right to sound it good. I really don't know how to disable the preamp section in voxengo boogex. It sounds horrible :Smug:

Cheers, Markus.

 

[::XeS::]

Use Voxengo Pristine Space or Sir..."open file" and load you impulse.

 

[::XeS::]

I recorded a shitty comparison with V-amp2 sound and Impulse sound.
Check it here:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=501874

Impulse sound is more realistic for me.

 

[Keregioz]

That's the POD, not the impulses. THe PODxt tone into a poweramp is not very good.

Yes, you're right. I was referring on XeS's comment that when you use the impulse on podxt there's no "plastic" sound.
You can't blame the impulses for the plastic sound... but then you can't blame pod's cabs either.