Is it safe to have opinions in this Forum and express them?

[Mxgonzo]

So you can't bring a digital camera. Big Deal. I've been attending concerts for over twenty years without a digital camera. I think you can survive. Hell, Most lager shows you can't even bring in a camera period. Two of the four times I went to PP I didn't even bring a camera had and still had a great time.
But Bryant. I think the "Fuck You" was a bit much.

 

[Wyvern]

There are more than one way to skin a cat, we will have memories one way or another

 

[carnut]

There are more than one way to skin a cat, we will have memories one way or another

yup, got an 8mm camera somewhere

 

[Pabla]

There are more than one way to skin a cat, we will have memories one way or another

It's all about the stimulation of the brain by music and good company

I just saw this briefly and wanted to Say BRYANT YOU GOTTA BE THERE NEXT YEAR!

 

[SavaRon]

Bryant, I think Glenn may have realized a complete ban wasn't the right route to go. I don't think he's asking to much of you. We all want to see your ass there next year. Well, not literally your ass! We've seen that before.

Btw, if any of you wish to pass this info on to Bryant (if he is not lurking), feel free to. I have no personal vendetta against the guy. I'm not asking for asskissing or anything like that. A simple apology for the "fuck you" and understanding that I will not tolerate it in the future will suffice.

Glenn H.

 

[MetalAges]

It's one thing to voice an opinion, but when you express an opinion ending with "Fuck you Glenn!" ... that's outside the realm of any opinion worth taking the time to read or much less listen to. If you look at the forum Glenn has absolutely no problems with opinions, negative OR positive. He asks for noone to lick his balls left, right, up or down and will be the first to tell you he could care less about all that. I saw the crap going on behind the scenes (hell also in the hotel lobbies of the footage) with this video stuff and let me tell you it was unbelievable the stuff they were catching. You have to remember Glenn isn't so happy about having to take those kind of preventative measures but he had no choice. Hopefully some way will work itself out to meet in the middle or something.

 

[kittybeast]

. Hopefully some way will work itself out to meet in the middle or something.

Maybe if Bryant gave two tugs to a dead dogs' dick, then Glenn will forgive him.
I know I know but it was so damn funny the first time I read Glenn say that!

 

[Unfaithfully Metalhead]

Im with you Bryant... we pay alot of money for these shows (way too much money for tickets IMO) and i can understand your frustration when you said FU... plus i hate guys with powertrips and egos... Glenn makes it sound like he never said FU in his life especially in a similar situation... guess freedom of expression and speech is dead in this country... and protest....

 

[SavaRon]

I don't think the ticket price is bad. Two days, ten bands. That is Glenn's board, he pays for it. I can understand both sides of this, but I still think the FU Glenn was not very nice on his own site. I try to treat these boards like somebody's house. A little respect and courtesy for those who own/run them.
I wonder how Hawk would deal with this if someone told him to Fuck off? Hawk, would you care to chime in on this?

Bryant, you probably typed that stuff on the spur of the moment. I know I've done that a few times (usually after a few drinks), than looked at it the next day and went WTF was I thinking? It's all good, I know your a good guy.

 

[Narcosynthesys68]

Sava, It can be way too easy to let off steam on the boards, especially when drinking... So it is morning and I am drinking coffee!!!

Like I had said before, the fest is a lot of work for Glenn and I am sure that it costs a bunch of time and money for him... BUT, he started the Gold Badge and sponsor program to "fund" the show... With the Gold Badge you get a few, very few perks... I assume that like any other business, the stockholders may not have any authority to do anything beyond FEEL like you can have and own these few perks. Bryant lost it because like any big business, they just keep taking and taking... I had said in another thread, what really is the Gold Badge worth? Does it make me feel more special? Does it actually provide the back bone of this fest actually happening? I think with some of the ego it seems to me that someone is forgetting what it is that really makes these shows. Remember, fans...

Whiny cunt bands that don't wanna play are just that, whiny cunts... Come the fuck on. You know coming in that you are not going to conquer any great thing playing at ProgPower. You do know that if you are playing there, you will play to a Pure Metal crowd and I guess you will probably make a few bucks... Nothing more, nothing less... Truthfully if the whole thing was bootlegged and sold, the only person who is losing money would be Glenn (which I feel this is why we are all having this discussion). He keeps mentioning the bands but I think that is a diversion tactic. Most of these bands are so "specialized" that there is not much of a fan base anyway... I know, I know... A lost sale is a lost sale... BUT, don't play at all and what do you have? Risks man, take a fucking risk... remember Rock 'n Roll... Sex, drugs, sleeping in the bus, eating dog shit... You chose that life, live it!!!

Anywho, yes, FUCK YOU is not right and back to the matter at hand...

Bryant, where are you??

 

[JonnyD]

I bought a GB from one of the sponsers once I had gotten down to ATL Friday morning infact and I didnt see at all where the GB gave me anymore privilages than when I went as a regular ticket holder It made a Very Nice and Very Expensive momento though and definately worth it for that fact alone .. hehe it is cool to look at and I'm glad I got it but I didnt see what the big deal was .... As for how Glenn runs his Show its his baby I am sure he feels the need to protect it I can respect that and as for Bryant I am sure he has a perfectly good explanation beyond what he has written for what he said and I am sure he meant no real harm hes a great dude and a good friend I would go down to hell and fight the devil himself for that guy .... Bryant and Harumi took good care of me my first time down to Atlanta and I will always appreceate that Progpower would not be Progpower without Bryant .... but it also wouldnt be without Glenn ... this will all blow over its just the net after all

 

[Hawk]

Narcosynthesys68 I really don't know why you chose to discuss this matter on UMOS and I would like to ask you to tone down the language please.

As for "freedom of speech". I stand in principle fully behind the idea of private property. That means that Glen is the master of his own house. He runs the show and decides who is welcome on his own forum or not. That does not imply that he is always right in what he is doing, although I think that Bryant could have shown a bit more control in what he said.

The point is when someone starts a business, be it a festival or a forum, it is he that takes the financial risk, it is his money, time and energy that is being invested. You are free to go there or not. But when you do you must accept the rules of the people that organize these things. You can not expect to have a voice in the rules of an organization that you don't belong to.

Of course you can voice your opinion on forums if those that own it or moderate it give you that freedom. But when you would tell them "Fuck you" chances are you would be banned as well.

You are free to start your own festival and forum then the risk will be yours and it would be you who decides the rules on your forum and festival. If some nazi shitbag would voice his racist opinion you could remove him. If someone would say things that would insult you you again could choose to remove him.
As Glenn did. And I say this as a friend of Bryant.

And knowing Bryant as I do, I am 100% sure he agrees with me. If a owner of a bar would not want me in his establishment I would sure disagree with him about that decision. But I would fight for his right as a property owner to ban me on his premises.

Thats the very essence of freedom of speech and private ownership! If he could no longer exercise those rights we all would have lost them as well! Besides, what would be the alternative?

In the end you can always choose to vote with your feet. And not visit the Prog-Power forum or the festival.

I hope Bryant will return soon. I would not like to miss him on UMOS.

 

[Narcosynthesys68]

So I guess my first question has now been answered.

Sorry for the language.

 

[Narcosynthesys68]

Oh, and I chose this board for the intelligence level.

 

[Hawk]

Thanks for the compliment Narcosynthesys68

Only those in need of intelligent discussion will seek out such a place.
There, I returned the compliment.

 

[Narcosynthesys68]

Well I have partied with Bryant at PP. He is one of the most outstanding participants there. I felt bad for Bryant for Glenn coming down hard on him but I also felt that Bryant flew off the handle for really no reason. It wasn't right of him to do.

The other part of my discussion was only pointing out about bands... I played in bands for years... lived it... had absolutely no success at all. It became a total drag... personallity conflicts, no pay, late nights, long days, took it's toll on my marriage, my kids, on and on. It just pisses me off that when some of these bands that truly are talented and have gotten the break... they then just become even more stupid and act like whiny crabs. Most of us who wanted that dream never even came anywhere near to that close... I woulda gave my left testicle to be able to play progpower... and everyone in there could bootlegged me too!

What do they say, you don't know what you got till its gone.

Makes me mad just thinking about it!

 

[Hawk]

Well I have partied with Bryant at PP. He is one of the most outstanding participants there. I felt bad for Bryant for Glenn coming down hard on him but I also felt that Bryant flew off the handle for really no reason. It wasn't right of him to do.

The other part of my discussion was only pointing out about bands... I played in bands for years... lived it... had absolutely no success at all. It became a total drag... personallity conflicts, no pay, late nights, long days, took it's toll on my marriage, my kids, on and on. It just pisses me off that when some of these bands that truly are talented and have gotten the break... they then just become even more stupid and act like whiny crabs. Most of us who wanted that dream never even came anywhere near to that close... I woulda gave my left testicle to be able to play progpower... and everyone in there could bootlegged me too!

What do they say, you don't know what you got till its gone.

Makes me mad just thinking about it!

I am with you there. Believe me. Lets just hope that this does not change the good natured spirit of Prog-Power. Or perhaps it already did? We'll have to see...

 

[#1_Droogie]

speaking as a musician in a band (not to mention the sole songwriter), if there were fans at one of our shows, I would not mind if they took pictures, recorded video, recorded anything at all....just as long as it's for they, themselves. I have no problem at all with wanting a little piece of momento from a show you've attended. But I DO have a problem with people trying to make profit off of it. I realize that it would be impossible to keep everybody who had recorded material of a show to NOT reproduce and sell it, but in my perfect world, it wouldn't happen. Besides, it's a recording of a LIVE show, and 99% of bootlegs are of horrible quality, so I would MUCH rather buy the studio recording, or an official live recording rather than some do-it-yourself project. But, like I said, I would definately want to take pictures, or video footage of a show, or shows, I've attended.

 

[MetalAges]

99% of bootlegs aren't done for profit...they're usually for either self use or just shared on the internet p2p. Still, I can see why people wouldn't be happy about it, but not enough to prevent people from recording their favorite bands. Now, if it was being filmed for a DVD release, that's COMPLETELY different. I mean, that's like bringing your own personal camera to a movie set.

There is footage shot at every event and bands can purchase (and many do) the footage for use on future DVD etc.

Plus if many don't recall (it was nipped pretty quick I think) there was someone who got footage early on (like PPUSA 3 maybe?) and if I recall he was attempting to sell it as a DVD to people on some bootleg site. Glenn is definitely not taking this stance to be an ass or ruin things for people, it's simply an unfortunate and necessary evil to counter what's being attempted at these shows.

 

[Wheezer]

I bought a GB from one of the sponsers once I had gotten down to ATL Friday morning infact and I didnt see at all where the GB gave me anymore privilages than when I went as a regular ticket holder

Yeah and I feel bad about that. After all it was one of my friends that you bought it from.

The GB does have a few perks but after the pre-party and the first night it's not really worth it. It was nice to get in early to buy a shirt and DVD before it got crowded or they ran out of my size of shirt. And since they moved all the vendors to the bar it's even less worth it. It used to be nice to go and check out the vendors with a vastly reduced crowd hanging out in the vendor area.