jannes style

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This is all interesting information.

 

[delt]

Hello Mr. Janne W(i,a)rman, it's an honor to get a reply from you!! ("that dude is out of his fuckin mind isn't he!!" -- Alexi on the Paris bootleg) --- btw how is your wounded leg, i hope it gets better now... ?


> There are bynch of broken keys that don´t work so I marked them with black tape, few
> black keys that don´t work are marked with white tape, logical isn´t it? Just to let me know
> which keys are useless during solos and stuff...

damn... if i was playing on a guitar with some frets missing or defective, i'd definitely fix it or throw it away and get a new one. doesn't it become f±@¤£¢n annoying or limiting that some keys don't work???


> The dude DID change presets. My sounds are never triggered or the keyboard split except
> for the sound that is on during solo battles with Alexi.

Ah, i didn't see him change anything. But why did he play 3 notes to do an ork hit sound?

I was right in front, about 2 meters away from you at the 15 dec. show, if you looked at the audience near the end of your set, i'm the guy who got grabbed by 2 assholes behind me and got an elbow smashed in my face, right in front of a security guy. Those 2 got kicked out anyway.

.... and about that low D in the "solo battles", do you hold it with your left hand and do the solos all with your right? that's fuckin impressive man....!!!! i've never seen it live (you didn't do a solo duel in Montréal ) so i can't know.

 

[delt]

> i'm pretty sure jannes is either a pulse or square sound .

Sounds to me like a moderately dist'd sawtooth wave with just a bit of modulation (flanger/chorus). Which on a scope would look pretty similar to a sq anyway.

 

[Janne Warman]

Hello Mr. Janne W(i,a)rman, it's an honor to get a reply from you!! ("that dude is out of his fuckin mind isn't he!!" -- Alexi on the Paris bootleg) --- btw how is your wounded leg, i hope it gets better now... ?


> There are bynch of broken keys that don´t work so I marked them with black tape, few
> black keys that don´t work are marked with white tape, logical isn´t it? Just to let me know
> which keys are useless during solos and stuff...

damn... if i was playing on a guitar with some frets missing or defective, i'd definitely fix it or throw it away and get a new one. doesn't it become f±@?£¢n annoying or limiting that some keys don't work???


> The dude DID change presets. My sounds are never triggered or the keyboard split except
> for the sound that is on during solo battles with Alexi.

Ah, i didn't see him change anything. But why did he play 3 notes to do an ork hit sound?

I was right in front, about 2 meters away from you at the 15 dec. show, if you looked at the audience near the end of your set, i'm the guy who got grabbed by 2 assholes behind me and got an elbow smashed in my face, right in front of a security guy. Those 2 got kicked out anyway.

.... and about that low D in the "solo battles", do you hold it with your left hand and do the solos all with your right? that's fuckin impressive man....!!!! i've never seen it live (you didn't do a solo duel in Montréal ) so i can't know.

Leg is so much better now, thanks.
Well I counted 5 broken keys total all below the mid C so... I can avoid patterns where those would limit me too much.
I don´t know what the tech played there but why not 3notes??
I used to hold the low note during battles with a pedal but I lost it so sometimes I hold the note by pressing it usually I tape it down.

 

[Mago_Lari]

I use too the tilted key stand, cause its more confortable and then its a way Janne and jens use it and so its cool to me!!! jeje!!!!

I think the lead is a Saw wave, but the trick is in the Filter managing..you have to work with Filter going into ==> Distortion ( dist box or even, if you got a nice dist alghorithim, the one in your synth ) to get a decent janne's lead, and then work with equalization..this is what i think!!
ByeBye

Claudio

 

[delt]

....and boost the treble for the razor sharp edge that we all love in Janne's sound!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> I used to hold the low note during battles with a pedal but I lost it so sometimes I
> hold the note by pressing it usually I tape it down.

hehehehe .... the masking tape solution!! A keyboard that has seen many battles has much tape on it .... but doesn't the keys become all sticky from the tape?

> I don´t know what the tech played there but why not 3notes??

He was playing an inverted 5th with one hand (dont remember which) and a note about 2 octaves away with the other hand, and it gave one orch.hit note. sorry i'm not a keyboard player so i'm not expert at this stuff

 

[bobvex]

He was playing an inverted 5th with one hand (dont remember which) and a note about 2 octaves away with the other hand, and it gave one orch.hit note. sorry i'm not a keyboard player so i'm not expert at this stuff

Thats how orch "impact" hits are played, it gets the high part of a chord, like in Needled, that first "DUN DUH" in the beginning, and then you put that root lower octave for depth and power. play a 4th/or 5th with the root, and the lower octave of the root. I tried this at guitar center, I did the part in downfall with Orch hits, and the keys guy was like "that sounds cool as shit" haha.

 

[delt]

> Thats how orch "impact" hits are played, it gets the high part of a chord, like in Needled, that
> first "DUN DUH" in the beginning, and then you put that root lower octave for depth and power.

hey you're right, i just sequenced that with several orkhit samples and it sounds very much like Janne's orkhit sound. The ear doesn't perceive it as a 5th chord tho.

 

[HauknessX]

what the hell is a 5th chord?

 

[delt]

it's 2 notes that are 7 halfsteps apart. The lower one is the root, and the upper one is the "fifth" relative to the root.

An inverted fifth is simply the same thing but with the upper note an octave lower, ie. 5 halfsteps below the root. So the root is the upper note now. If you take an inverted fifth and consider the lower note as the root, then it becomes a sus4 interval (a "fourth"). Depends on the musical context.

 

[bobvex]

what the hell is a 5th chord?

If you take the basic major scale, the main scale for which ALL muic is based, it is the fifth note in the scale. Example - the circle of fifths is a guide to such scales, as they modulate. The first major scale is in the key of C, going in a tetra chord pattern (C, D,E,F,G,A,B,C). If you think of each fret on a guitar, or each key on a keyboard as a "half step" you will see that the note go in a pattern of WHOLE WHOLE HALF, WHOLE WHOLE HALF, a whole step being 2 frets (keys), and a half being one. now, if you start on C the fifth is the fifth tone of the scale, so remember the scale, (C, D,E,F,G,A,B,C), the fifth would be the G note because 1-C, 2-D, 3-E, 4-F, 5-G, if you wanted the 3rd, which most harmonies are contrived of, it would be the E note because 1-C, 2-D, 3-E. So a 5th chord would be the root note, whatever that may be, and the 5th note of the scale layed together in harmony. You do this all the time when you play guitar, its called a power chord.

 

[the_drip]

it's 2 notes that are 7 halfsteps apart. The lower one is the root, and the upper one is the "fifth" relative to the root.

An inverted fifth is simply the same thing but with the upper note an octave lower, ie. 5 halfsteps below the root. So the root is the upper note now. If you take an inverted fifth and consider the lower note as the root, then it becomes a sus4 interval (a "fourth"). Depends on the musical context.

you could just call it a perfect 4th ..instead of having to explain all that. It was just a tech banging out a chord voicing with an orch hit. its not lik ehe was thinkin gof a theoretical progression or anything..he was just making sure the fuckin thing was working.

 

[the_drip]

If you take the basic major scale, the main scale for which ALL muic is based, it is the fifth note in the scale.

....suuuure it is. HAven't listened to John Cage's music much have you. Western music has used the major and minor modes as the groundwork for the majority of all the music we hear today. bUt man, there's a hell of a lot more to music than just the Major (ionian) scale.

 

[bobvex]

....suuuure it is. HAven't listened to John Cage's music much have you. Western music has used the major and minor modes as the groundwork for the majority of all the music we hear today. bUt man, there's a hell of a lot more to music than just the Major (ionian) scale.

Every scale ever was dirived from the major scale. All those modes, everything, are just variations from the major scale. I know what im talking about, my grandfather has been teaching music for over 40 years now. He taught me the basics, but I still need to learn how to read. The basis for ALL music, not just today's, is the major scale.

 

[delt]

uh people, HauknessX just asked what is a 5th chord. no need to start an argument about scales & diatonic modes over this.... !!

> he was just making sure the fuckin thing was working.

Making sure the fuckin thing was working the way Janne plays it.

 

[MagSec4]

Hey delt, change your sig man!
I don't want to keep coming across that everytime I'm trying to read threads, and I'm sure many others here feel the same. Also, try to use the

button.. don't keep making new posts everytime you feel you need to change something.

Just the feel of it is that much better than the other ones??

Well hey, it's the man's lucky keyboard.. kinda like the same red underwear you're rumored to wear all the time.

 

[delt]

sorry everyone..... maybe you dont know me or my mental problems, but i have these insane fits of fucking suicidal depression and anger.....................

i nearly killed myself last night, or the night before can't remember. anyway... everything's back to normal now.

and about the edit thing, i just start over my post when i fuck up, so it doesn't say "last edited by... on..." at the bottom if i take too long to correct it, ie. longer than vbulletin's "grace period" of about 1 minute.

 

[spellbound-by-the-bodom]

hey janne how come you hold the note down? wouldnt that sound weird with a mono lead ??????

 

[the_drip]

Every scale ever was dirived from the major scale. All those modes, everything, are just variations from the major scale. I know what im talking about, my grandfather has been teaching music for over 40 years now. He taught me the basics, but I still need to learn how to read. The basis for ALL music, not just today's, is the major scale.

yup i'm sure the japanese were thinking about the major scale when they wrote their quartal toned folk music. Funny how your granddad has been teaching music for 40 years and you don't "read" yet. But know all about it.

It's safe to say that the major scale is the basis for all the music you probably enjoy but it is far from teh basis of ALL music.

Gregorian Chant wasn't even based ont eh major scale...everythign was purely modal until J.S bach decided he wanted to well-temper his clavier. pre-bach is almost all modal. THings changed after he came into the fold.

I don't mean to jump down your throat, I just think you should realize that there is alot more to music than just "the major scale" That's all.

 

[RockBodom]

no need to be an ass the_drip......get your point across without the implied insults...