I like them, but I think the reason they're so popular is that they were really one of the first american bands with that deathcore, blast+bree kinda sound. They put out the Doom EP and that sound wasn't really around yet so they blew up. now with Genesis it's a really different sound, and pretty generic. I think they're talented, and Genesis sounds decent, but if it was the first offering from them I don't think they'd have 1/10 the success they have right now. it's also hard to take them seriously sometimes with how much they've changed totally as a band...went from local hardcore to scene-kids to the max to grungy death metal. seems like the day after their metal blade signing they tossed out the combover hairdos, pink polo shirts, and girl jeans for camo shorts, deicide shirts, and beards.