John Bush is 'heavy'?

[ironmaidenfan09]

I am tired of all these Joey bashers talking about how John Bush was so much more heavy and agressive blah blah. John Bush is a good vocalist. But he is not some dark, heavy type aggressive vocalist. He is melodic and has a high pitched voice. He just doesn't have the extreme highs and as much melody as Joey.

You people make him out to be like Chris Barnes, or Glen Benton.

Anthrax will always be known for their 'classic era' albums. You will not get any better than ATL, STD, SOE, and POT.

John Bush is/was great in Armored Saint. Anthrax is, was, and will always be known for the Joey era. You Bushthrax fans had your time. It was fun for you while it lasted. The band went into the toilet with him on vocals weather you like it or not. Not because of is vocal style but because of the change in the overall sound of Anthrax. Now it is time to let Anthrax get back to doing what they were doing during the POT era.

 

[Dredd74]

Now it is time to let Anthrax get back to doing what they were doing during the POT era.

Firing Joey???

Seriously, you really want them to just rehash the same 'ol shit? You're probably one of the people out there that is pissed Metallica didn't make Master Of Puppets Part II. It's called growing, maturing. Charlie is perhaps the best metal, yes I said metal not thrash, drummers out there. But to me, as a musician, he didn't WOW me until the Bush era albums, I'm not saying it's because of Bush, but writing the tunes they did in the 90's gave room for the band to really breathe musically and write some heavy ass tunes. His drumming on WCFYA and Stomp is phenomenal, as is the rest of the band's playing. I for one am tired of the same 'ol shit, it's all they've been doing for the last 5 years, rehashing the old crap. I accept the fact they have Joey as their singer, do I like it, no, but hopefully they write songs he can actually sing cause thrash is not his strong suit anymore. I for one cannot see him doing justice to anything that they wrote and performed with Dan, ya need a strong voice for that and the reality is he doesn't have it anymore.

 

[ironmaidenfan09]

Firing Joey???

Seriously, you really want them to just rehash the same 'ol shit? You're probably one of the people out there that is pissed Metallica didn't make Master Of Puppets Part II. It's called growing, maturing.

I am one of the millions of "metallica' fans that can't stand anything they did after And Justice For All. I think they are a fucking piece of shit sell out band and I will never buy any of their merchandise or concert tickets ever again. If you think that 'load 're-load' 'st.anger' are all a form of metallica 'growing' or 'maturing' you are a fool.

Anthrax never 'sold out' imo. They just changed a bit to a different style that wasn't my taste. The direction they were going during POT was a good one. They hit the panic button tough and had to try and compete with Soundgarden and Alice in Chains.

You just wait. You will find out that Joey has not lost one single vocal chord. He is, was, and will always be the main frontman for Anthrax

 

[antwax]

Damn straight!

Joey's stage moves are a bit gay...George Michael of metal?...

...I don't care what Anthrax will be remembered for...I love BUSHTHRAX (and like also the older albums)
...SOWN made me sort of fundamentalist or extreme supporter for them...you know Greenpeace type of save ANTHRAX dude...
I kinda liked when played smaller club ...they played to their real fans! ...NOT to those who thought that SOE or POT had nice covers...and nice cover tunes.
I saw them on SOE and POT tours - perhaps I was young and a bit naive - but my impression after those concerts was that LIVE singer does NOT need to be good. Joey wasn't. Then I saw them on Stomp tour...OK I was older...but then I understood that JOHN BUSH IS THE VOICE OF ANTHRAX!


T

 

[antwax]

POT would had been greater had JOHN BUSH sang on it!
Joey does NOT have balls to sing anything heavy!

T

 

[antwax]

Softer or heavier ...Dan's vocals did NOT work for me as well as John's... That sort of feeling factor is missing. He was/is better/stronger than Joey though...
Bush's raspy almost blues type of attack is what works best with those songs ANTHRAX did with him.
John Bush set the standard for ANTHRAX singers... but why I'm trying to convince you - you knew this already.

T

 

[ironmaidenfan09]

POT would had been greater had JOHN BUSH sang on it!
Joey does NOT have balls to sing anything heavy!

T

LOL. POT is a classic album and the vocals are one of the reasons why. John Bush would have fucked that album up. Just listen to the songs he did on that live album. They don't even compare to Joeys vocals.

Compare and Contrast. John Bush would have ruined that record. Joey smokes him in every way possible....Not even close. Joey has range. John doesn't.

John Bush:

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Joey:

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[joey78]

John Bush gave Anthrax heart and soul. True that most of the classis albums were with Belladonna but that is only because they got had Joey for a long time and people got used to seeing Anthrax with Joey. I grew up listening to POT, ATL and STE..i loved those records...but John took them a notch higher. He turned them into a real band. Anthrax with John had balls.

I'm sure a lot of fans would have been in disbelief when they heard that John was the new singer but I do not think that too many would have been disappointed with Sound of White Noise. The last record WCFYA is proclaimed as THE BEST Anthrax record ever and there is a reason for that.

Anthrax with Joey is great for nostalgia, but I would not be too excited about a new Anthrax record with him. John is the better singer anyday.

Dan was a John Bush-Phil Anselmo wannabe and I dont think he is even worthy enough to be part of the Anthrax singer debate.

 

[metallex1978]

LOL. POT is a classic album and the vocals are one of the reasons why. John Bush would have fucked that album up. Just listen to the songs he did on that live album. They don't even compare to Joeys vocals.

Compare and Contrast. John Bush would have ruined that record. Joey smokes him in every way possible....Not even close. Joey has range. John doesn't.

John Bush:

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Joey:

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Those two youtube links just prove how bad Joey's vocals sound

I heard the Greater of Two Evils versions of the songs before hearing the originals, and listening to Joey's vocals on the originals here, John improved them tenfold.

Yo, I try to understand the Joey fans point if view, but he just sounds bad to my ears. Not because of the heavy/not heavy discussion this has broken into. He sounds like someone from Duran Duran trying to sing in a metal band.

John has soul in his voice, and yeah, his vocals are much better suited to metal and Anthrax.

 

[metallex1978]

The Bushbabies are hilarious. They want tiny balls (John) but not big balls (Dan). Bushbabies, if you're gonna go balls-crazy gay, you might as well go all the way.

I'm a Bush fan and I would've welcomed Dan over getting Joey back any day.

 

[Cargath]

If you think that 'load 're-load' 'st.anger' are all a form of metallica 'growing' or 'maturing' you are a fool.

The Loads are really good hard rock albums. If you don't like hard rock, well, that's your problem. I can understand you don't like these albums then, but saying they aren't good is just retarded. You are just butthurt, that they gave a fuck about your taste and recorded something they liked at that time without asking their narrow minded metalhead-fanbase.

I will never understand why metalheads always think a band should record the same album over and over again and is not allowed to change musical direction if they feel like doing it. I'm glad there are still bands that stay true to themselves and do what they want, not what some people want them to do. The most annoying thing about the internet is, that you have to read this "but it doesn't sound like the 80s"-whining about almost every freaking metal band that ever existed. It's not the 80s anymore. Get your head out of your ass and get over it.

 

[Catharsis70]

......sooooo singing without growling, screeching, rumbling or high pitched screams isnt "hard"? thats what I love most about Bush vocals with Thrax, his ability to hammer songs out so loud and strong without screaming. thats power, that is "Hard" in my book. Joey did adjust some on POT fosho! My fave "sounding" Joeythrax record. Yes, Joey can and will put his spin on the Bushthrax stuff just as John did with the Joeythrax material. Im sure I will like it all too. Its all Metal Bitches! You know the songs, love the songs and will sing along no matter who is on the mic. Personally I have always wondered what SOWN would have sounded like with Joey, not that it isnt in my top ten records of all time with John, its more a curiosity lol.

 

[Catharsis70]

LOL WUT?

They had perhaps two or three heavy tunes during the Bush era. You must think Nickelback is the new Deicide.

your a turd....two or three? you must not have heard the records at all or your one of those tools that requires unintelligible grumblings and screams for a song to be heavy.

 

[Dredd74]

I'm a Bush fan and I would've welcomed Dan over getting Joey back any day.

AGREED 110%. For me it isn't even a John vs. Joey thing with the band, although that's what it is on this board. For me plain and simple Joey just is not a metal singer anymore, the dude sounds bad.

 

[Dredd74]

your a turd....two or three? you must not have heard the records at all or your one of those tools that requires unintelligible grumblings and screams for a song to be heavy.

You're dealing with morons here that think a song has to be fast to be heavy. POT and SOE are NOT thrash albums. Do some of the tunes touch on it, sure, but thrash they are not. Sepultura, that to me is thrash. If you compare, take the whole John vs Joey thing out of it, musically there are a shitload of tunes they wrote after Belladonna that are a helluva lot heavier than previous tunes. To each their own, just seems ignorant to think that way.

 

[Dredd74]

You must think Nickelback is the new Deicide.

No, but I think Anthrax is the new Slaughter.

 

[Dredd74]

Hey Antwax, I love your sig.

 

[danaholica]

You're dealing with morons here that think a song has to be fast to be heavy. POT and SOE are NOT thrash albums. Do some of the tunes touch on it, sure, but thrash they are not. Sepultura, that to me is thrash. If you compare, take the whole John vs Joey thing out of it, musically there are a shitload of tunes they wrote after Belladonna that are a helluva lot heavier than previous tunes. To each their own, just seems ignorant to think that way.

Again, Thrash does not constitute heavier : see Stomp 442

 

[Dredd74]

Again, Thrash does not constitute heavier : see Stomp 442

I never said it did.

 

[metallex1978]

How anyone can say Stomp 442 isn't metal? Obviously they're listening to a different CD to the one I own.

It kicks off with Random Acts of Senseless Violence and it doesn't really let up until the track Bare, which by the way ain't cheesy at all when you consider he subject matter. Yes, I'm talking to you 6er.