Jon Schaffer Reports From Road, Reveals Name of New Iced Earth Album

This coming from a guy that has a "tongue in cheek" Obama tribute as an avatar and a signature about religion....:err:
The avatar is merely a silly tribute to my board name, not our President. Just because I'm a liberal, doesn't make me a fan of our President.

As for the sig... guilty as charged.

However, it's for the exact reasons you alluded to, that I don't want Jon mixing Metal and politics. I have no problem with artists who's opinions differ from my own. However, lyrics are important to me. Consequently, I have no desire to roll down my windows, crank my stereo, and sing along with Tea Party ideology.
 
However, lyrics are important to me. Consequently, I have no desire to roll down my windows, crank my stereo, and sing along with Tea Party ideology.

Good to distinguish this from "Republican" or "conservative" ideology, because Jon comes off as one of the libertarians that originally championed the Tea Party. Also, Sons of Liberty has a strong anti-New World Order theme...one that I don't particularly adhere to either. It's just something that doesn't interest me and is pretty polarizing in general. It's as tough to sing along to as the praise-song lyrics from many Divinefire tunes. I can appreciate the music, but the lyrics are a turn off.
 
Good to distinguish this from "Republican" or "conservative" ideology, because Jon comes off as one of the libertarians that originally championed the Tea Party.
And lest anyone think I'm trying to start a political debate, I'm not. I have friends along all points of the political spectrum. It's not a matter of his personal beliefs. However, as PdD pointed out, I don't want to feel like I'm singing along with something I disagree with. It's the same reason I don't listen to Theocracy, despite thinking that their music is excellent.
 
and sing along with Tea Party ideology.

for some reason i just got a visual of you in a convertible muscle car just flying down the road PMS*ing to the new Iced Earth song "Turn The Harbor Brown"...

hahaha sorry! couldn't help myself.

(PMS - the Floridian term for "power metal screaming") just sayin. there should be a lot of just this on the new IE :)

But seriously though, I really hope that the political side of John stays in sons of liberty.
 
That's awesome!

And PMS? I'm so stealing that.

hahaha! seriously like almost the cover art of some 80s band... back shot of the red car going down the highway at sunset, say rte 66, fist in the air? haha

Ya Know, if you have someone like sabrina it makes it almost 'cool' to pms.... haha

are we going to see you in NYC?
 
And lest anyone think I'm trying to start a political debate, I'm not. I have friends along all points of the political spectrum. It's not a matter of his personal beliefs. However, as PdD pointed out, I don't want to feel like I'm singing along with something I disagree with. It's the same reason I don't listen to Theocracy, despite thinking that their music is excellent.
Wow, Greg. I'm a devout Catholic and I listen to DARK FUNERAL. To me it's just entertainment and good music is good music regardless of content. That being said, I don't push my beliefs on anyone or denegrate those who oppose me. A lot of bands I love lean heavily to the left I'm sure, but they have their beliefs and I have mine. If their music kicks my ass, then all the better for me. I'm a Republican, yet I don't believe in everything they support. I hate their disdain for labor unions especially. I'm a vice president of my union where I work and I am diehard union and damn proud of it. I love Jon Schaffer because the guy has the balls to write songs about what he believes is right. More power to him. At least here in America you have the choice to listen or not or buy or not the music he writes. I really do think ICED EARTH's new album will fucking rip. Regardless of what Jon may think, I think he does have something still to prove.
 
Man, I log into Facebook and see people ranting about Schaffer's new whacko conspiracy theory album, and I have NO IDEA what is going on. Will someone please explain it to me?? I couldn't even Google a good explanation, other than the fact that he's writing songs based on his newfound beliefs? Or.. something??
 
The avatar is merely a silly tribute to my board name, not our President. Just because I'm a liberal, doesn't make me a fan of our President.

As for the sig... guilty as charged.

However, it's for the exact reasons you alluded to, that I don't want Jon mixing Metal and politics. I have no problem with artists who's opinions differ from my own. However, lyrics are important to me. Consequently, I have no desire to roll down my windows, crank my stereo, and sing along with Tea Party ideology.

I just found it funny that you made a sarcastic comment about Jon's probability of writing about his politics, when you yourself are a very political person. Anyone on this board that's been on here for any amount of time knows that. That's not an insult toward you by any means. Your avatar, whether you deny it or not, is a tongue in cheek jester to Obama. Yes, it's funny, but I don't know how else I'm suppose to take it.

~Brian~
 
And lest anyone think I'm trying to start a political debate, I'm not. I have friends along all points of the political spectrum. It's not a matter of his personal beliefs. However, as PdD pointed out, I don't want to feel like I'm singing along with something I disagree with. It's the same reason I don't listen to Theocracy, despite thinking that their music is excellent.

This is an interesting issue, for a number of reasons. Not the least of which being that rock music has a long history of being very "political". That may not be as prominent in prog and power metal, which often deals more with ethereal or fantasy topics, but it's still present there (i.e, Operation: Mindcrime, etc). Also, there are a lot of songs in metal that are written from a specific point of view... so, does it make a difference whether that happens to be the songwriter's actual point of view? Or the listener's point of view? If I listen to "Declaration Day" by Iced Earth, "Panzerkampf" by Sabaton, or "The Trooper" by Iron Maiden does that mean I have to agree with the partisan views presented in any of those songs? Should those songs only be enjoyed by patriotic American, Russian, or British listeners?

As far as the religious angle, it's interesting you mention Theocracy... I was just listening to Mirror Of Souls a couple days ago and while I think it's a very good album, I did indeed feel on more than one occasion that the religious themes were getting a bit over the top. But then it also occurred to me, is this really any different than when I listen to, let's say, Amon Amarth? In terms of lyrical content, they're just as much into mythological stories as any christian band. Maybe the relative popularity of the religions they present makes a difference? I mean, I have an Amon Amarth shirt with a picture of a norse god on the front, yet I don't imagine anyone who sees me wearing it thinks I go home and worship Odin. But somehow I think if I wore a christian band shirt with a picture of Jesus on the front, a lot of people would assume I was christian, or religious in some way.

Ultimately I have to conclude that I don't need to agree with lyrics in order to enjoy a song. Like most people, I'm probably neutral on the majority of lyrics I hear... meaning that regardless of whether I like them or not, I don't necessarily agree or disagree with them. However, there are also a number of songs whose lyrics I specifically disagree with, but I still like the song. Not just to the extent of ignoring the lyrics and liking the music, but actually being able to appreciate the lyrical content with the understanding of the angle from which it is being presented.
 
This coming from a guy that has a "tongue in cheek" Obama tribute as an avatar and a signature about religion....:err:

~Brian~

He's a poster on the internet. Iced Earth is a band that appeals to thousands of different people from all over the world, including many countries with much more liberal policies than ours. Offending their way of life is like biting the hand that feeds. Granted, he's free to say what he wants and by all means he should, but that doesn't mean people have to agree with him or even listen for that matter.
 
Wow, Greg. I'm a devout Catholic and I listen to DARK FUNERAL. To me it's just entertainment and good music is good music regardless of content. That being said, I don't push my beliefs on anyone or denegrate those who oppose me. A lot of bands I love lean heavily to the left I'm sure, but they have their beliefs and I have mine. If their music kicks my ass, then all the better for me. I'm a Republican, yet I don't believe in everything they support. I hate their disdain for labor unions especially. I'm a vice president of my union where I work and I am diehard union and damn proud of it. I love Jon Schaffer because the guy has the balls to write songs about what he believes is right. More power to him. At least here in America you have the choice to listen or not or buy or not the music he writes. I really do think ICED EARTH's new album will fucking rip. Regardless of what Jon may think, I think he does have something still to prove.


Right on! You'd be surprised how many Christians play in metal bands that use satanic or whatever imagery. It's all in good fun, and even if they are seriously anti-Christian, it's the music -- not the musician that counts!
 
Ya Know, if you have someone like sabrina it makes it almost 'cool' to pms.... haha
That's awesome.

are we going to see you in NYC?
Hell yeah.

Wow, Greg. I'm a devout Catholic and I listen to DARK FUNERAL.
As do I, despite being an atheist. And in much the same way, I listen to songs about Odin, wizards, and all sorts of fantasy themes. In part, because I view these topics only from the perspective of fantasy. However, with Christianity and politics, these things have real impacts on life here in the U.S. and abroad. Consequently, I feel conflicted singing along with topics that praise an agenda I oppose.

To me it's just entertainment and good music is good music regardless of content.
I know there are a lot of people who see it this way. I have a friend of color who listens to Arghosolent. Everyone has their own feeling about lyrics.

I just found it funny that you made a sarcastic comment about Jon's probability of writing about his politics, when you yourself are a very political person. Anyone on this board that's been on here for any amount of time knows that. That's not an insult toward you by any means.
I don't deny this for a second. However, for what it's worth, I've become far less political. Honestly, I've just kind of given up. The world is going to hell in a hand basket, and there's nothing I can do to stop it. I don't even watch The Daily Show any more. I've just sort of unplugged from politics as much as I possibly can. That said, I don't care if Jon believes Obama is Radical-Christian-Secret Muslim-Atheist-Communist-Kenyan Socialist-Klingon Double Agent, whose only real agenda is to enslave us all to the New World Order. That's his prerogative. I just don't want to sing along with it.

Your avatar, whether you deny it or not, is a tongue in cheek jester to Obama. Yes, it's funny, but I don't know how else I'm suppose to take it.
It's a tongue and cheek jester towards the brilliance of Terence Stamp. Whether you realize it or not, Obama does not support what I believe. And if I thought it represented a positive jester towards Obama, I wouldn't be using it.

Maybe the relative popularity of the religions they present makes a difference? I mean, I have an Amon Amarth shirt with a picture of a norse god on the front, yet I don't imagine anyone who sees me wearing it thinks I go home and worship Odin. But somehow I think if I wore a christian band shirt with a picture of Jesus on the front, a lot of people would assume I was christian, or religious in some way.
This.

However, there are also a number of songs whose lyrics I specifically disagree with, but I still like the song. Not just to the extent of ignoring the lyrics and liking the music, but actually being able to appreciate the lyrical content with the understanding of the angle from which it is being presented.
As AE said, I'm just one person expressing his opinions on the net. I completely appreciate that I'm in the minority when it comes to lyrics.
 
Lyrics are important, but back to Iced earth: this new album is going to have to grab me within the first few songs or it might not be worth my time. Framing Armageddon was decent, but too long. Crucible of Man suffers from a lack of speed. If they would pick up the damn pace and turn down the Grandiose knob just a bit, I'm sold.
 
If ever a band needed to focus on releasing 10 or 11 kick ass tunes it's these guys. The last two concept albums were snoozers. I can deal with something thematic, but I hope they stay away from any full on concept album.


Britt
 
Right on! You'd be surprised how many Christians play in metal bands that use satanic or whatever imagery. It's all in good fun, and even if they are seriously anti-Christian, it's the music -- not the musician that counts!

I think I said "Hail Satan!" a show, once.. lulz.

The crowd liked it! :hotjump:

That being said, how crazy are we talkin' here with this music? Is it accusing 9-11 of being an inside job planned by Jews crazy?
 
So... what I've gathered from those videos is that Jon Schaffer thinks bankers are trying to take over the world, and that's why we're in Afghanastan?

Am I getting this right?