KsE TEOH, my attempt at getting close (preparing to mix a metalcore band).

[Erik Monsonis]

Settings!

Kick
-Drumagog: Devildriver kick; 4.0 on output gain, -5 on pitch.
-Waves REq 4 bands: -9.4dB on 68hz 6.5Q; +2.6dB on 1354hz 0.80Q; +2.3dB on 3971hz 0.99Q (shelf)
-PC2 compressor: 3:1 ratio; -19dB threshold; 30ms attack; 10ms release; Complex + LikAhead enabled; +7dB output.
-Waves Q8 Paragraphic EQ:: lowpass on 52hz; -12dB on 64hz 100Q; -8dB on 80hz 60Q; -6.8dB on 439hz 2.2Q
-Waves REq 4 bands: +13dB on 39hz 0.71Q (low shelf); +0.8dB on 2890hz 0.80Q
-Waves Q8 Paragraphic EQ:: too lazy to type, better see it on pic.

Snare:
-Drumagog: Behindert snare; -5 pitch.
-Waves REq 4 bands: +3dB on 155hz 0.80Q; -6dB on 324hz 0.80Q; -7dB on 884hz 1.87Q; +3.4dB on 6776hz 0.90Q (shelf)
-Waves REq 4 bands: +3.5dB on 1576hz 0.80Q
-Oxford Dynamics Native: -17.70dB threshold; 8.67ms attack; 4.167 ratio; +11.28dB makeup; hold and release to minimum
-Waves REq 4 bands: -4.0dB on 245hz 0.80Q; +1.2dB on 853hz 0.80Q; 3.6 on 5865hz 0.80Q; -2.4dB
-Waves REq 4 bands: +4.4dB on 682hz 0.90Q; -18dB on 718hz 1.14Q
-Waves Q8 Paragraphic EQ: +8.9dB on 121hz 7Q; -18dB on 608hz and 872hz 100Q; -2.3dB on 11815hz 7Q
-Some reverb (fruity reeverb, use your fave...)
-Fruity EQ: 3.8dB on 3700hz 0.26Q

+

-Drumagog: Tama Starclassic Snare top; +4dB output
-Waves Q8 Paragraphic EQ: +3.8dB on 159hz 7Q; -5.7dB on 259hz 7Q; -18dB on 639 and 486 40Q; +18dB on 4269hz 7Q (high shelf)
-Oxford Dynamics Native: -21dB threshold; 15.51ms attack; 4 ratio; 0.048ms release; hold to minimum; +3.36dB makeup
-Waves Rverb: some hall reverb, too many parameters.

Drum buss:

-Waves C4: Full reset settings
-Oxford Dynamics Native: -6.43dB threshold; 18.59ms attack; 2.4 ratio; 2.16dB makeup; 0.010ms hold, 0.478ms release
-Waves REq 4 bands: +5dB on 76hz 1.81Q
-Gfader: -25dB
-Oxford dynamics native: -4.5dB threshold; 5.20ms attack; 1.2 ratio; 0.010ms hold; 0.005ms release; +7.32dB makeup


I know, this is fucking crazy and illogical, but that's how I work!


And that's all. Won't post settings again, so if anyone has further interest, keep this post handy

Best wishes.
-Erik

 

[kaamosprod]

Hi Erik

can you post your guitars settings ? (solo c, 8505, compression and eq, any post bus settings)

 

[Erik Monsonis]

Rythm:
-Ibanez SA160 w/EMG85 in bridge
-Solo C: input 6; normal; normal; clean; bass 5; middle 10; high 10; master 2.
-8505: gain 3; poweramp 10; everything else 5.
-SIR: s-preshigh.wav

Rythm buss:
-Waves C4, andy's settings.
-Voxengo CurveEQ, taken from KsE stem files.
-Waves REq 6 bands: hp on 96hz 1.41Q; -4.4dB on 608hz 0.49Q; +3.7dB on 11396hz 0.80Q; lp on 14778hz 1.41Q

Clean guitar
-Ibanez SA160 w/EMGSA in neck-middle position.
-This POD Farm patch
-Waves L2: -9dB threshold; 0.0 ceiling; no dithering
-Glace Verb: Classic - Large Theater.

Lead guitar
-Ibanez SA160 w/EMG85 in bridge
-This POD Farm patch
-Waves REq 6 bands: hp on 65hz 1.25Q; -1.4dB on 630hz 0.80Q; +5.7dB on 6080hz 0.80Q; lp on 9176hz 1.41Q

 

[kaamosprod]

ohhhh...

i didn't expected so much !! thanks a lot man !

when you tell "kse stem files", what do you mean ?

is that mean you listen a kse song and you check the eq when a guitar is alone to copy the eq ???

 

[Erik Monsonis]

is that mean you listen a kse song and you check the eq when a guitar is alone to copy the eq ???

Yep, basically that.

Search for "rock band multitrack", you'll get the info on what i'm talking about.

 

[kaamosprod]

Thanks Erik, i check that !

 

[Mikka-overload]

And what about the details of the bass settings ? would like to know about pod farm preset and the equing, comp and buss setting if there is one off course !

 

[Erik Monsonis]

I'm gonna kill someone

I'll note them down later.
Pod farm preset

 

[Teddyboy]

Thanx for the info!! It sounds really good! One question... At which band setting do you use your curves?

 

[Mikka-overload]

he use Killswitch Engage curve. (kse = killswitch engage)

 

[Teddyboy]

The Voxengo Curve Eq has an option in where you choose in how many eq bands (7,12,20,30,40,50,60) will the curve match with your recorded track. That's the band I was talking about and not the KSE band. Thanks Mikka for your answer and your interest!

 

[Aaron Smith]

Argh... I wish people wouldn't use that DevilDriver kick. Have some respect for Andy. Samples he gives out on the forums are one thing, but actually using samples leaked from a video game, that were never meant to be public, just seems so wrong to me. Andy's "usual" kick sample (the DevilDriver kick is a variation of it) is my favorite of all metal productions, but doesn't it bother you that you're advertising something as your mix, when the kick is really just jacked from a big name metal producer? Even just throwing Slate samples all over a mix and claiming credit for how good the mix sounds seems stupid to me, but at least in that case the mixer has bought the rights to those sounds...

Anyway, I'm not pissed at you or anything, just irritated about the whole issue.

 

[dani]

Dandelium, you're a legend. as soon as i get windows on my mac, i'm gonna try this out! (although i think i'm gonna need some new pickups.. :/)

thanks,

 

[Erik Monsonis]

Argh... I wish people wouldn't use that DevilDriver kick. Have some respect for Andy. Samples he gives out on the forums are one thing, but actually using samples leaked from a video game, that were never meant to be public, just seems so wrong to me. Andy's "usual" kick sample (the DevilDriver kick is a variation of it) is my favorite of all metal productions, but doesn't it bother you that you're advertising something as your mix, when the kick is really just jacked from a big name metal producer? Even just throwing Slate samples all over a mix and claiming credit for how good the mix sounds seems stupid to me, but at least in that case the mixer has bought the rights to those sounds...

Anyway, I'm not pissed at you or anything, just irritated about the whole issue.

Hey

I had never seen the thing from your POV but now you say it makes sense.
Anyways I'm not gonna make Andy's work less profitable by using some modified samples from him. Note that the final sound is NOT a DevilDriver sound, so I didn't want to steal HIS sound at all. Just found the samples nice to start working around.

I know what you mean, and I somehow agree with you now .
Sorry if it offended you or Andy, was never my intention.

@Teddyboy: I use 60 bands.

 

[Erik Monsonis]

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/425433/kse test5.mp3

Improved lowend and added a slight master reverb to glue everything together.

 

[Mique]

Impressive mix. I personaly like it better without that master verb...It take something away from the "punch"...thou it's very subtle.

 

[giubis]

@ Dandelium:

Can you post details also on post-processing of rest of drums (OH and especially toms) and bass (it doesn't sound so good with your patch only)?

 

[AshM]

OK, this might be a stupid question, but there's no real drums here are there? You say Drumagog is on the kick and snare and SD overheads, are the drums programmed? I dont get how you did them, would really appreciate an explanation bro!

 

[dani]

giubis, i think there will be blood on the wall, if erik gets asked another question! aha

AshM, as far as i know it's all programmed. you can still use drumagog on programmed drums. if each drum goes out to a seperate channel (something superior is capable of) you can run drumagog on that channel, and replace the hits in superior, with another sample.

i think that's how he rolls.. aha.

thanks,

 

[Erik Monsonis]

Hey! I'll post the rest of the settings later, I'm really tired now.

I just run a MIDI channel aimed at some port and channel. Drumagog and Superior 2.0 are on that channel, so the MIDI channel triggers both at the same time.