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[IntoPhagist]

There not awesome I hope the album is better...so far they sound confused and maybe washed up already...it sounds like come clarity 2

 

[trilogique]

I've been eyeing this forum for some time and I come into this thread and read all of U_C's inane and rather ridiculous arguments so I decided to join. And because I don't feel like playing CoD4 right now. Oh, and because I felt like joining a new community.

staying true to your roots isn't selling out at all (that's why it's called 'staying true').

Care to provide examples of how In Flames could stay true to their roots? Basically what you're saying is you want The Jester Race 2.0, right? Sorry, I don't. I have The Jester Race and it's indeed a fantastic album. I don't want its legacy being worn out because of butthurt queers like you.

uh just to clear up and confusion (there appears to be a lot here) this not melodic death metal. these songs are pretty awful, especially lyrically. i mean if im not mistaken anders is saying " i feel like shit....blah blah" - ok whats with the emo lyrics? and damn the guitar is so uninspiring. this cannot be the same band that wrote zombie inc and embody the invisible and jotun

This IS melodic death metal. Melo-death has evolved over the years just like In Flames has. Ironic, huh? Yeah there is some metalcore in there and even some thrash, but it's still melo-death. Melo-death is characterized by lots of melody, clean and growling vocals. While the growling was dropped, the screaming was put in (metalcore element example) so as far as I'm concerned this is still melo-death. The genre has evolved just like every other genre has. Do bands still play Iron Maiden's "genre"?

I'm sorry Anders can't sing the same for over 10 years. Not even Jens Kidman has. You can tell in obZen that quite a few beers have been down his throat.

Look at Metallica for example. They did the same thing that YOU'RE complaining about and guess what? Not only does every song sound alike, every album sounds alike. No offense to Metallica fans.

yep. but dont voice your opinion here the kids cant take it.

Or maybe YOU can't take everyone elses.

another thing to remember is that a band can "evolve" and add elements into their music via song structure, rhythm and timing patterns, etc instead of "changing the melodies from the guitars to the vocals." i cant believe you guys take something like that so lightly. that is a MASSIVE change in style clearly geared to becoming more mainstream. so sure, the band doesnt have to release the "same" album over and over....that would be boring i agree. but they CERTAINLY do not have to do a complete 180 and go in a different direction with their music. i mean fuck open your ears - these songs sound like a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT band than previously (they have for a few years now.)

You act like they made TJR then immediately made CC. They gradually evolved and it's a damn good thing. It's called intelligence. In Flames have never been a "technical" band so you honestly think we're going to see In Flames with Meshuggah polyrhythms or song structure? Oh wait, if we did that we'd still have people who complain about their music. It's a never ending cycle of retards.

I've come to realize that U_C is a closet In Flames fan just like everybody else who says their new stuff sucks.

Sorry for the rude introduction.

tl;dr: hello. U_C is an idiot.

 

[waif]

Hey! A new poster with a brain. Nice. COD4 pwns, too.

 

[trilogique]

Indeed it does. The Air Cushion is my Xbox Live gamertag if anyone wants to add me

 

[IntoPhagist]

Im on cod 4 all the time..best Online FPS ever

 

[waif]

Meh...I play on PC.

 

[Lord Byron]

Meh...I play on PC.

Good man!!!!!!!! Screw all you so called "console gamers"!!!

 

[EVERLOSTINDEADETERNITY]

its cool. Also Call of Duty 4 i the shit

 

[Pitiless Wanderer]

Care to provide examples of how In Flames could stay true to their roots? Basically what you're saying is you want The Jester Race 2.0, right?

sure, look at how they progressed from whoracle to colony. guitar driven melodies (zombie inc, resin, embody) but with some intense vocal chrous passages as well (coerced coexistence). i can take that. but shifting the melodies completely to the vocals from the guitars is something that is unforgivable. so keeping with melodic, guitar-driven songs would be staying true to the style they perfected and not pissing on their earliest fans. Simple enough, yea? Yea.

This IS melodic death metal. Melo-death has evolved over the years just like In Flames has. Ironic, huh? Yeah there is some metalcore in there and even some thrash, but it's still melo-death. Melo-death is characterized by lots of melody, clean and growling vocals. While the growling was dropped, the screaming was put in (metalcore element example) so as far as I'm concerned this is still melo-death.
I'm sorry Anders can't sing the same for over 10 years. Not even Jens Kidman has. You can tell in obZen that quite a few beers have been down his throat.

haha well arent you nice, making excuses for a death metal singer. "he cant do it anymore wah wah..." haha you sound like a little retard. and man, if that is REALLY your definition of melodic death metal then you clearly know nothing about the genre. ask anyone other than In Flames' fans if this new material is melodic death metal and they will say no. I guarantee you this. Go listen to Sweet Vengeance by Nightrage, The Red in the Sky is Ours by At the Gates, Traumaticon by Exhumation (etcetc) for examples of melodic death metal and compare it to these new In Flames songs. You will be a complete fucking joke of a human being lacking any sense of heavy metal understanding to say that these styles are even remotely similiar. They are not.

Look at Metallica for example. They did the same thing that YOU'RE complaining about and guess what? Not only does every song sound alike, every album sounds alike. No offense to Metallica fans.

check your ears boy. if you cant hear how metallica vocally and musically matured from Kill...all the way to AJFA then, again, you're just mentally and musically challenged.

You act like they made TJR then immediately made CC. They gradually evolved and it's a damn good thing. It's called intelligence. In Flames have never been a "technical" band so you honestly think we're going to see In Flames with Meshuggah polyrhythms or song structure? Oh wait, if we did that we'd still have people who complain about their music. It's a never ending cycle of retards.

Intelligence? sure, if they wanted to make more money, then yes, they did the intelligent thing by "shifting the melodies from the guitars to the vocals" as anders said himself. they became catchier and got new fans and made lots more money. very intelligent from a business standpoint. but a fucking stab in the heart for us old school in flames fans.

I've come to realize that U_C is a closet In Flames fan just like everybody else who says their new stuff sucks.

what do you mean? closet fan? of the new material? .......?



I mean the music just is not as good, on many levels. Even other musicians in the same genre agree. Michael Amott : "They definitely took the 'metal' out on this record" (After the release of RTR)..............

it isnt rocket science. This is not melodic death metal. This might be some nu-metal variation of watered down metal with screaming vocals, but please tell me where the "death" aspect is? no blast beats, no gutteral growels, hardly any good sense of guitar work considering the riffs the band has written in years past.....is this heavy metal in some form or another? yes. is this meoldic death metal? no.

 

[waif]

haha well arent you nice, making excuses for a death metal singer. "he cant do it anymore wah wah..." haha you sound like a little retard. and man, if that is REALLY your definition of melodic death metal then you clearly know nothing about the genre. ask anyone other than In Flames' fans if this new material is melodic death metal and they will say no. I guarantee you this. Go listen to Sweet Vengeance by Nightrage, The Red in the Sky is Ours by At the Gates, Traumaticon by Exhumation (etcetc) for examples of melodic death metal and compare it to these new In Flames songs. You will be a complete fucking joke of a human

Man, what a moron. Doesn't know what melodic death metal is. Everyone in the whole world means that. Wow.

Anyhow...sometimes, people can't do something that they used to be able to do. For example, Bruce Dickinson can no longer hit those high notes. Abbath can no longer play fast. Kerry King can no longer think clearly. This happens. You have to accept it. Just suck it the fuck up.

check your ears boy. if you cant hear how metallica vocally and musically matured from Kill...all the way to AJFA then, again, you're just mentally and musically challenged.

I'm with you on this one. They changed their style on every single album. Even Load + ReLoad, which were from the same sessions, have a fairly different sound.

Intelligence? sure, if they wanted to make more money, then yes, they did the intelligent thing by "shifting the melodies from the guitars to the vocals" as anders said himself. they became catchier and got new fans and made lots more money. very intelligent from a business standpoint. but a fucking stab in the heart for us old school in flames fans.

Man, you are fucking obsessed with them shifting the melodies from the guitars to the vocals.
BTW, just so it's clear, catchy is a good thing. Not a bad thing. A good thing. And they're honestly less catchy now, with a few exceptions.

it isnt rocket science. This is not melodic death metal. This might be some nu-metal variation of watered down metal with screaming vocals, but please tell me where the "death" aspect is? no blast beats, no gutteral growels, hardly any good sense of guitar work considering the riffs the band has written in years past.....is this heavy metal in some form or another? yes. is this meoldic death metal? no.

In Flames have never used gutterals or blast beats, you stupid fuck.

 

[Pitiless Wanderer]

In Flames have never used gutterals or blast beats, you stupid fuck.

haha hey dip shit you know what i meant - those were just examples of elements found in anything remotely death metal. i would say in flames actually had some pretty deep vocals here and there on tjr and even colony (resin). the point, is that the music they play NOW is NOT in any way shape or form "death" metal. it just isnt.


and i can tell you agree with me!! admit it dude!

 

[trilogique]

sure, look at how they progressed from whoracle to colony. guitar driven melodies (zombie inc, resin, embody) but with some intense vocal chrous passages as well (coerced coexistence). i can take that. but shifting the melodies completely to the vocals from the guitars is something that is unforgivable. so keeping with melodic, guitar-driven songs would be staying true to the style they perfected and not pissing on their earliest fans. Simple enough, yea? Yea.

I lol'd so hard at this. Like I said, you want The Jester Race 2.0. No thanks.

haha well arent you nice, making excuses for a death metal singer. "he cant do it anymore wah wah..." haha you sound like a little retard. and man, if that is REALLY your definition of melodic death metal then you clearly know nothing about the genre. ask anyone other than In Flames' fans if this new material is melodic death metal and they will say no. I guarantee you this. Go listen to Sweet Vengeance by Nightrage, The Red in the Sky is Ours by At the Gates, Traumaticon by Exhumation (etcetc) for examples of melodic death metal and compare it to these new In Flames songs. You will be a complete fucking joke of a human being lacking any sense of heavy metal understanding to say that these styles are even remotely similiar. They are not.

Heard Anders growl lately? Probably not, too young to go to concerts. Either way, he can't growl like he used to. Yeah throw some growls on Come Clarity and we've got one fucking horrible album. Thanks, pompous cock.

Also to address your songs, you're right they are nothing alike, but once again, you're a fucking idiot. The genre has evolved, like I said already, but you're evidently illiterate, or extremely arrogant.

Hey, about Nightrage, do you like their new stuff? Curious.

check your ears boy. if you cant hear how metallica vocally and musically matured from Kill...all the way to AJFA then, again, you're just mentally and musically challenged.

lol

It's okay, we're all closet In Flames fans. No need to hide it.

the point, is that the music they play NOW is NOT in any way shape or form "death" metal. it just isnt.

That's why it's called melodic death metal. The genre has evolved since At the Gates era and so on. It's funny because this is coming from a "musically challenged retard". What does that say about you?

You're just butthurt that Anders isn't there to hold your hand and make every record a dedication to you.

 

[waif]

haha hey dip shit you know what i meant - those were just examples of elements found in anything remotely death metal.

No, I actually don't have a clue what you meant. You say that In Flames aren't melodic death metal anymore because they don't use blast beats and deep growls, but they never have, so either you don't think they were ever melodic death, you don't actually believe what you're writing, or you just don't think clearly.
Also, that's not true. Plenty of death metal bands do not use gutterals or blast beats. For example, Death use neither. Amon Amarth use gutterals, but not blast beats. At The Gates at one point used blast beats, but never used gutterals. Ditto for dark tranquility. Etc. You fucking moron. Do you have a clue what you're talking about?

i would say in flames actually had some pretty deep vocals here and there on tjr and even colony (resin). the point, is that the music they play NOW is NOT in any way shape or form "death" metal. it just isnt.

There are some points where there are pretty deep vocals on the new stuff (Friend, for example).

and i can tell you agree with me!! admit it dude!

No, actually, I don't. What they play now is a different style of melodic death metal from the old stuff or more modern stuff like Paths of Possession. It's a style of melodic death metal that has some influences from nu metal. But it is melodic death metal (mostly for lack of a better term, but it's much more melodeath than nu metal).

 

[Pitiless Wanderer]

Heard Anders growl lately? Probably not, too young to go to concerts. Either way, he can't growl like he used to. Yeah throw some growls on Come Clarity and we've got one fucking horrible album. Thanks, pompous cock.

do you know he can't growl like he used to? do you know this for a fact? maybe he just doesn't try....

The genre has evolved, like I said already, but you're evidently illiterate, or extremely arrogant.

ummmm, not really. bands like in flames decide to sell out and change the style of music that they played, but the genre of melodic death metal is alive and well if you look elsewhere, with plenty of bands keeping things old school and guitar-driven instead of in flames/soilwork vocally concentrated heavy metal. the majority of bands in the "melodic death metal" genre actually do infact play true melodic death metal. it's, again, bands like in flames and soilwork and other "popular" acts that just decided to change their sound for more commercial exposure. i mean basically what youre trying to say is that the entire genre of melodic death metal has evolved into the type of music in flames plays. that is just incorrect.

Hey, about Nightrage, do you like their new stuff? Curious.

the first two are wonderful, the newest one is a complete letdown. again, another example of a band trying to become more mainstream albeit with less of a drastic change than in flames took from clayman to rtr. ANDIB by nightrage shows marios trying to branch out to newer audiences by recruiting now long-gone frontman jimmy strimmel who brought a lot of "core" to nightrage. marios has acknowledged this to me, as it's painfully obvious. he says the next record will have no "core" elements or clean vocals (although the clean vox was implemented quite nicely in SV) and will push nightrage to the most extreme edges of brutality and melodic blissfulness.

It's okay, we're all closet In Flames fans. No need to hide it.

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That's why it's called melodic death metal. The genre has evolved since At the Gates era and so on. It's funny because this is coming from a "musically challenged retard". What does that say about you?

again, the genre is alive and well. a small handfull of popular acts have decided to implement vocal and structural changes to their sound to be more accessible.




again, ask a majority of knowledgeable fans of the genre if newer in flames is considered "melodic death metal" and the majority will say no

 

[Pitiless Wanderer]

No, I actually don't have a clue what you meant. You say that In Flames aren't melodic death metal anymore because they don't use blast beats and deep growls, but they never have, so either you don't think they were ever melodic death, you don't actually believe what you're writing, or you just don't think clearly.
Also, that's not true. Plenty of death metal bands do not use gutterals or blast beats. For example, Death use neither. Amon Amarth use gutterals, but not blast beats. At The Gates at one point used blast beats, but never used gutterals. Ditto for dark tranquility. Etc. You fucking moron. Do you have a clue what you're talking about?

no, i was saying that in flames dont play melodic death metal anymore because they took the melodies from the guitars and put them in the vocals. this might be "melodic" but it isnt death metal. and if im not mistaken, there actualy IS a blast or two on rtr. i remember jesper talking about it in an interview i read many years ago. i have it saved on my computer somewhere i think. ill find it and post it for you. that being said, i concede the point that no, in flames obviously didnt implement blast beats in regularity in their songs. i simply wanted to point out that many of the typical death metal signatures like deep growls, blast beats, riffing style etc are not any part of in flames' new music anymore. they have been actually replaced by singing...clean singing, as anders tries harder and harder each record to sound like a teenager. he has been failing miserably.

There are some points where there are pretty deep vocals on the new stuff (Friend, for example).

ok...

No, actually, I don't. What they play now is a different style of melodic death metal from the old stuff or more modern stuff like Paths of Possession. It's a style of melodic death metal that has some influences from nu metal. But it is melodic death metal (mostly for lack of a better term, but it's much more melodeath than nu metal).

I disagree. (as you might have imagined). if anything, it's pop oriented heavy metal with some screaming here and there mixed with anders horrible attempts at clean vocal singing. nu metal is nu metal - it is not melodic death metal. just because a band once played melodic death metal for a long time doesn't mean whatever they put out is classified as such. look at in flames. the jester race is melodic death metal. come clarity is not. there is a CLEAR difference between the music found on both these albums. i have laid out these differences for the past three pages. sounds like two different bands in two different genres.

perhaps you and your little buddy here dont agree with me (obviously you want to defend the band if you're a fan; i understand...i did it a lot when i was younger) but believe me one day you will look back at this and hit yourself in the head and say "he was RIGHT!!!"

 

[Pitiless Wanderer]

Melo-death is characterized by lots of melody, clean and growling vocals.

haha i should make this my signature....

 

[trilogique]

Do it.

 

[trilogique]

do you know he can't growl like he used to? do you know this for a fact? maybe he just doesn't try....

Listen to Eraser. It sounds good when used occasionally.

ummmm, not really. bands like in flames decide to sell out and change the style of music that they played, but the genre of melodic death metal is alive and well if you look elsewhere, with plenty of bands keeping things old school and guitar-driven instead of in flames/soilwork vocally concentrated heavy metal. the majority of bands in the "melodic death metal" genre actually do infact play true melodic death metal. it's, again, bands like in flames and soilwork and other "popular" acts that just decided to change their sound for more commercial exposure. i mean basically what youre trying to say is that the entire genre of melodic death metal has evolved into the type of music in flames plays. that is just incorrect.

You're right, it hasn't. But the matter of the fact is that most melo-death is not guitar driven anymore like it used to be. Deadlock is a great example. Good guitars, but definitely more driven by their vocals. Scar Symmetry is another good example. Very few bands still do the growling-guitar-driven stuff and when they do, it's horrible.

the first two are wonderful, the newest one is a complete letdown. again, another example of a band trying to become more mainstream albeit with less of a drastic change than in flames took from clayman to rtr. ANDIB by nightrage shows marios trying to branch out to newer audiences by recruiting now long-gone frontman jimmy strimmel who brought a lot of "core" to nightrage. marios has acknowledged this to me, as it's painfully obvious. he says the next record will have no "core" elements or clean vocals (although the clean vox was implemented quite nicely in SV) and will push nightrage to the most extreme edges of brutality and melodic blissfulness.

Their new singer is fucking horrible. If he doesn't growl or do some better screaming, I refuse to even listen to it. It's metalcore.

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Nevermind.

again, ask a majority of knowledgeable fans of the genre if newer in flames is considered "melodic death metal" and the majority will say no

That's because they're still stuck to At the Gates music and refuse to let things change. I'm sorry but if most melo-death didn't change, I'd get bored really quick. It's like listening to generic death metal other than the lead guitar.

Also, like WAIF said, In Flames' genre is for lack of better term. In Flames is not thrash, black, death, metalcore and so on. I agree it's not what most modern melo-death is (SS is a good example of modern) but it's still got more hints of melo-death than any other genre, hence why they're still considered melo-death.

Anyway, we can keep at this if you'd like. My personal opinion is that we're going to be saying the same thing over and over, but it's up to you.

 

[waif]

no, i was saying that in flames dont play melodic death metal anymore because they took the melodies from the guitars and put them in the vocals.

You are really fucking hung up on that. Have you ever heard of a vocal melody? Besides which, there are plenty of guitar melodies, if you actually pay attention instead of reading one interview and rushing off to the internet to go on an uninformed rant.

this might be "melodic" but it isnt death metal. and if im not mistaken, there actualy IS a blast or two on rtr.

Beat blast:

i simply wanted to point out that many of the typical death metal signatures like deep growls, blast beats, riffing style etc are not any part of in flames' new music anymore.

IF never really used any of that, though, so this point is completely irrelevant and actually undermines your overall argument.

they have been actually replaced by singing...clean singing

I disagree.

Surprise!

if anything, it's pop oriented heavy metal with some screaming here and there mixed with anders horrible attempts at clean vocal singing.

Or perhaps it's metal with mostly screamed vocals (almost entirely, btw), some clean vocals, and it happens to be catchy (would that be the pop you were talking about?).

the jester race is melodic death metal. come clarity is not. there is a CLEAR difference between the music found on both these albums.

Interesting logic there.
Did you get that bit about how a style can evolve?

perhaps you and your little buddy here dont agree with me (obviously you want to defend the band if you're a fan; i understand...i did it a lot when i was younger) but believe me one day you will look back at this and hit yourself in the head and say "he was RIGHT!!!"

There aren't words...

do you know he can't growl like he used to? do you know this for a fact? maybe he just doesn't try....

And maybe Santa is real. Have you been to the North Pole? Have you? HAVE YOU???

ummmm, not really. bands like in flames decide to sell out and change the style of music that they played, but the genre of melodic death metal is alive and well if you look elsewhere, with plenty of bands keeping things old school and guitar-driven instead of in flames/soilwork vocally concentrated heavy metal. the majority of bands in the "melodic death metal" genre actually do infact play true melodic death metal. it's, again, bands like in flames and soilwork and other "popular" acts that just decided to change their sound for more commercial exposure. i mean basically what youre trying to say is that the entire genre of melodic death metal has evolved into the type of music in flames plays. that is just incorrect.

Have you ever heard the term Gothenburg melodeath? It's different from straight up melodic death. But good try.

again, the genre is alive and well. a small handfull of popular acts have decided to implement vocal and structural changes to their sound to be more accessible.

Thank you for making irrelevant points. Once again, have you ever heard of Gothenburg melodeath?

again, ask a majority of knowledgeable fans of the genre if newer in flames is considered "melodic death metal" and the majority will say no

Good idea. Okay. Where would we find a large number of melodic death metal fans? Let's try...an In Flames forum.