+ 10 million times
but yeah, i think this album was produced perfectly,
as it really made me bang my head back then
!drumsound is soo epic.
lmimp bizkit - significant other
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+ 10 million times
but yeah, i think this album was produced perfectly,
as it really made me bang my head back then
!drumsound is soo epic.
Ermz
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Yeah, the team behind this knew what they were doing. Brendan O'Brien knows how to mix too.
I think people maybe aren't giving enough credit to the production here. Listen to Fred's vocal interaction on the first verse - the lead with the backings. The way they interact seamlessly, doing the old call/answer mechanic, and then combine to enhance certain lines. It's worth being mindful of these things that seem like 'nothing', though are in fact anything but.
I think people maybe aren't giving enough credit to the production here. Listen to Fred's vocal interaction on the first verse - the lead with the backings. The way they interact seamlessly, doing the old call/answer mechanic, and then combine to enhance certain lines. It's worth being mindful of these things that seem like 'nothing', though are in fact anything but.
exactly this. young engineers/producers are rather after "a" certain sound
than having a production that makes you FEEL the music.
people argue about too much 3 khz on the snare, while in fact
that is not what makes a great record - a great mix
pulls oyu into the music. this record did that to me.
i miss that in a lot of productions today (but yeah as ermz said,
big part of that is that in most heavy genres, everything has already been
said, so its not just our fault as producers...;-)
GeertSamuel
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If it wasn't for korn or (sort of) limp bizkit..I would doubt I ever got into metal... I think listening to metal is a "learning curve"....and the curve started with korn and a bit of limp bizkit..
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Brendan O'Brien rules.
The Battle of Los Angeles by Rage Against the Machine is one of my favorite albums ever, and was also produced and mix by him.
While it's not the best mix from a technical standpoint (quite a too middy on the guitars), it somehow just suits the vibe of the band.
A lot of that alternative metal stuff had great production though, around that period.
Linkin Park, Evanescence, Limp Bizkit, Deftones, Korn etc etc.
Part of the sound is just tight musicianship too.
A lot of the guitar players, bassists, and drummers in these bands were probably honing this chops on thrash metal rhythm guitar before they joined these bands, so they could play well. Definitely musicians that came from an era of having to know how to play tight, because it was before they knew they could be "fixed in the mix" as it seems to be done these days for 75 per cent of metal bands that walk into a studio.
It may have not been super technical music, but being able to just play perfectly and nail each take, is superior musicianship than to trying to play technical death metal and totally failing.
Definitely well produced. Guys on the production team, tracking, mixing, mastering and production, generally many of the best in the business of course. As far as metal genres go at the time, the tracking for alternative metal at the time ruled. The guitar sounds and bass sounds were just at the peak of all metal sounds at the time really
Yet as was said, still natural sounding in a way and love how vibey it is.
Polished, yet with huge aggressive sounds that were also smooth and pleasing to the ear.
Now the hunt is on for instrumental Limp Bizkit (while I really dig Amy Lee's voice in Evanescence, I too don't really gel well with Durst's voice
)
The Battle of Los Angeles by Rage Against the Machine is one of my favorite albums ever, and was also produced and mix by him.
While it's not the best mix from a technical standpoint (quite a too middy on the guitars), it somehow just suits the vibe of the band.
A lot of that alternative metal stuff had great production though, around that period.
Linkin Park, Evanescence, Limp Bizkit, Deftones, Korn etc etc.
Part of the sound is just tight musicianship too.
A lot of the guitar players, bassists, and drummers in these bands were probably honing this chops on thrash metal rhythm guitar before they joined these bands, so they could play well. Definitely musicians that came from an era of having to know how to play tight, because it was before they knew they could be "fixed in the mix" as it seems to be done these days for 75 per cent of metal bands that walk into a studio.
It may have not been super technical music, but being able to just play perfectly and nail each take, is superior musicianship than to trying to play technical death metal and totally failing.
Definitely well produced. Guys on the production team, tracking, mixing, mastering and production, generally many of the best in the business of course. As far as metal genres go at the time, the tracking for alternative metal at the time ruled. The guitar sounds and bass sounds were just at the peak of all metal sounds at the time really
Yet as was said, still natural sounding in a way and love how vibey it is.
Polished, yet with huge aggressive sounds that were also smooth and pleasing to the ear.
Now the hunt is on for instrumental Limp Bizkit (while I really dig Amy Lee's voice in Evanescence, I too don't really gel well with Durst's voice
)
Sloan
Sounds like shit!
there's a ross robinson interview in the latest TAPE OP, not much technical info, but whatever. he did some kron, slapknit, and lamp buzzcut stufff. also the cure's shitty 2004 album.
PhilTheBeard
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Sorry for the necrobump but I didn't want to make another thread on this album. BUT HOLY SHIT!!!! me and charles have been jamming this album the past few days and I have to say Terry Date + Brendan O'Brien= AMAZING. The production, Song writing, Overall groove is perfect on this album! And i actually dig Fred's vocals on this album. This album use to get played almost everyday when i was in middle school. Wes Borland is why i started playing guitar no joke. But I will always love this album because it just still sounds so modern and fresh.
heshian46
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Im actually more partial to chocolate starfish as far as production is concerned. Most of the songs are utter crap, although Boiler and My Way are 2 of my favorite songs from them.
And John Otto is one of my drum idols. He's got so much groove it hurts. And he knows how to hammer when he needs to. He really serves the song like it should be.
And John Otto is one of my drum idols. He's got so much groove it hurts. And he knows how to hammer when he needs to. He really serves the song like it should be.
SentencedToBurn
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boiler is a perfect example of why the band is tolerable if durst didnt put his uninspired garbage vocals over it
Reminds me of when I first got into guitars.. 1999 powa
Dug it a lot, as well as Korn and RATM back then, then Slipknot and Metallica, then Cradle and Children, then... haha could go on indefinatly.. good memories
Dug it a lot, as well as Korn and RATM back then, then Slipknot and Metallica, then Cradle and Children, then... haha could go on indefinatly.. good memories
amarshism
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DanLights
Santa Hat Forever
Saw them live last month, I was totally blown away. I got in just to hear a bit of them and then go see Kyuss Lives! at the other stage, but I was so hypnotized by their groove and HUGE sound I ended up watching the whole set and missing half of kyuss's set. I've never seen a band groove like LP, seriously. I too used to be a huge fan of the first three albums, have to listen to them again now but I think in context I can stand the vocals.
decoy205
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Yeah I can't believe that. I was actually interning at Interscope when this came out so I brought that CD home with a TON of other music. Durst kind of sucked it up for me but I do like the way they did the music. Their drummer is really good and pretty underrated.
It's a shame that in order to make it you usually have to have a giant tool as a front man.
Back on topic... the production is excellent on this record and was done tastefully IMO. I was already rockin Coalesce and Meshuggah at that point so LB and MTV teenie bopper crap wasn't really on my radar.
RandomAwesome
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90s/early 2000s metal and rock records are literally my biggest influence on recording/mixing/production Huge sounds, but also natural and dynamic, and as a lot of you said - Vibey. Most of these shit fakey sounding metal records today sound about 10 miles wide and 6 inches deep. No feeling, no vibe, just grandiose disposable weak plastic sounds.
IMHO, that era was when rock and metal productions were at their peak, because we hadn't figured out how to cheat yet, so it had to be done legitimately, which means all the records were unique and sounded like people, rather than robots.
IMHO, that era was when rock and metal productions were at their peak, because we hadn't figured out how to cheat yet, so it had to be done legitimately, which means all the records were unique and sounded like people, rather than robots.
RandomAwesome
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Oh, and +1 to Heshian's statement. John Otto is highly underrated. Sure, there are WAY flashier drummers out there, but how does a 2 minute solo serve a song musically? John Otto has more distinct style and groove playing one simple 4/4 beat than the entire discography of the vast majority of band drummers out there.
DanLights
Santa Hat Forever
I've seen do many people agree that John Otto is a monster drummer (and I concur) that I wouldn't say he's underrated.
Lysergica33
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Significant Other and Chocolate Starfish both sound great, but Three Dollar Bill Y'all takes the cake for me. Amazing production all over on that record. Especially the guitars.. Wes Borland really knows how to use FX to paint sonic pictures and doesn't get anywhere near enough respect for his work in Limp Bizkit. Pretty much all of their stuff gets constant, unashamed rotation here, aside from that Results May Vary thing.. Let's just pretend that never happened.
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