Love of Live (part två)

I am definitely a fan, and I've looked at their stuff. But I don't actually make a habit out of learning other people's music. I always feel that I start writing derivative shit when I do that.

To be honest, I have trouble understanding how someone who likes sort of atmospheric, borderline prog music could NOT like Opeth. I know it's not cool to like them anymore 'cause they're popular, but man.. I just have trouble not loving that stuff.
 
To be honest, I have trouble understanding how someone who likes sort of atmospheric, borderline prog music could NOT like Opeth. I know it's not cool to like them anymore 'cause they're popular, but man.. I just have trouble not loving that stuff.
oh man i couldn't agree more! there was time i was even a bit ashamed to have them as my most played band on my lastfm charts... but every time i put on something of their albums i get awed all the same, it never gets old! i came to the conclusion they are just that good that it doesn't matter anymore how popular they are and which status they have. Well not to me anyway... maybe i have started to idealize them or something? but as you said, i certainly have trouble not loving that stuff...

on topic: i just came back from Set Sail to Mystery Tour with The Vision Bleak, Alcest & Fjoergyn. It must be said that i completely missed The Vision Bleak because of the ridiculously early last train :mad::mad::mad:

I cannot imagine this gig could be sold out in Italy??? :ill: here there were something like 70 people only!! It was the same venue where Borknagar played last year in september, only this time it was much less filled... I hate it that i had to travel 4 hours in total and to pay for the train tickets 4 times more than i paid for the actual concert ticket, all just to see Alcest play only 45 minutes and having to leave before they even were finished, and having to miss The Vision Bleak entirely!!! :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

Oh well, i dreamed to ever get to see Alcest play live for a long time, now i did! :worship:notworthy:worship:they were totally mind blowing!! ♥ Neige is so shy on stage, it's so cute! :lol: i have 3 vids, will upload them tomorrow...
 
I am definitely a fan, and I've looked at their stuff. But I don't actually make a habit out of learning other people's music. I always feel that I start writing derivative shit when I do that

That's not really true IMO. You will carry your influences anyway. Still you can make some derivative stuff but only if you like to do so, like Dream Theater and Opeth's Benighted.

To be honest, I have trouble understanding how someone who likes sort of atmospheric, borderline prog music could NOT like Opeth. I know it's not cool to like them anymore 'cause they're popular, but man.. I just have trouble not loving that stuff.

I can tell you my opinion about Opeth, since I know the band very well and since long time ago. I knew them back on mid/late 90's(97-98) with Orchid. I wasn't impressed and I thought they were some kind of weird melodic black metal, very fragmented with terrible songwriting. At the time I was already into Arcturus, Ulver, Borknagar and stuff like that.

1999, I heard Morningrise, which I liked more than Orchid but not so much either (now I think it's terrible. I just like a little Advent and To Bid you farewell) and at 2000 I got MAYH.

That album impressed me cause the songwriting, lyrics and atmosphere are great. The harsh and soft parts flows well, it doesn't feel forced or random at all, like anything since Deliverance. Just like Borknagar's Quintessence, the non-so-great production works. I truly think this is where Opeth reached their peak at songwriting and as a creative force. April Ethereal, When, The Amen Corner and Demon of the fall are really great tracks, specially When (which is the best choice to show what Opeth is or was) and Amen - at 4:00 more or less it features the most doom moment on Opeth's entire discography (even the vocals have an enhanced reverb, to give it a spectral feeling I guess).

I can imagine why Demon of the fall is a fan fav: The massive growling at start, the verse riff is really catchy and sounds really heavy, the ending is great (it sounds really hopeless) and the lyrics. On the MAYH concept, Demon seems to be the chapter where the main character is on total dismay.

SL could have been better than MAYH but it's inconsistent, some repetitive and the quality goes downhill. The Moor, Godheads and Benighted are great tracks and no other Opeth album starts so strong as this, but after that, the rest is really subpar. Moonlapse is like a meh version of Godheads, Face of Melinda is good but Benighted does the job better with less, Serenity just plain sucks imo - with Mike rapping, awful pinch harmonics and all - and White Cluster is weak for an ending track. Until here, I would say that Opeth still wrote coherent music and this album still flows well. Also it sounds very folky, which is something that I miss.

BWP's main failure IMO is that sounds forced. The heavy and clean parts switches suddenly and just a couple of tracks built some climax well. It's very anticlimatic as a whole and there are some really bad songs, like funeral portrait, patterns in the ivy and blackwater park (a really overrated song IMO). The vocals sound forced sometimes and the arrangements are not so folk as before. Still Bleak and Drapery Falls have soul and carry a good atmosphere. Harvest is weak as ballad, too radio-friendly for my taste.

Deliverance has the main defect on the uberpolished sound. The album sounds plastic, souless and just 2 and half tracks are worthy (Deliverance, Masters and Half of A Fair Judgement). Damnation is good but it could have been SO much better, it's too simple and radio-friendly.

GR is the first really bad album of Opeth. The only completely good song there is Isolation Years, but the rest have just 'some good parts'. Here it seems to be a heavy cut/slice-paste work. The keys are awful. Some tracks are horrendous - Beneath the mire, atonement, the grand conjuration, hours of wealth, all of them are horrible. The progressions used are awful IMO.

Watershed is a piece of shit, excepting for the first half of The Lotus Eater and Hessian Peel. Coil is just an intro. Heir Apparent is meh. Burden is gay. Hex Omega? that's really boring and Porcelain Heart is too damn safe that bores (the acoustic interlude is really reminiscent to Vintersorg's Svältvinter intro). It has no atmosphere at all. Even GR had it - a awful one but at least had something. WS sounds even more fragmented than GR.

What I DONT get is how can be possible that people who likes progressive, doesnt like Vintersorg - at least since Visions.

note: I wrote this really fast :rofl:
 
about Alcest gig last friday, if anybody's interested:

Setlist:
Printemps émeraude
Les Iris
Solar Song
Écailles de Lune (Part I)
Souvenirs d'un autre monde
Percées de Lumière
Élévation



Seems that i only missed a couple of minutes of it, which is not so bad as i thought! :kickass:





 
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I guess I should've known that music would be kinda boring live... I mean, it doesn't really make for engaging stage performances.. :lol: I like it, but I've seen Katatonia live a couple times.. basically the same fucking thing.
that music is everything but boring! if you think the stage performance is boring, why do you think they called it shoegaze in the first place... :rolleyes:

it must be stressed that this tour was Alcest's first tour ever. Don't think they are so used to performing live after just a few shows here and there... Besides, i don't think they even need that engaging performance. The crowd was already more happy and excited than it was during the first Fjoergyn, who did their best so hard to be interesting and engaging while the crowd was practically just yawning in their faces... :S

me i thought Alcest was brilliant! They are really a great live band in my opinion, because their awesome music makes up fully for the static stage behavior! :worship:
 
Well, I think calling a metal band shoegaze is a little silly. It's clearly post-black in my book, but whatever. Anyway, I like the music, I just think they're not the best performers. I mean, it's hard to be a really active performer with that kind of music, I guess. But yeah. When you really love the music it usually adds to the band's performance. I've always thought Opeth were a killer band live—and lots of people think I'm insane. But since I know their entire discography by heart, it seems pretty easy to understand. :p
 
Well, I think calling a metal band shoegaze is a little silly. It's clearly post-black in my book, but whatever. Anyway, I like the music, I just think they're not the best performers. I mean, it's hard to be a really active performer with that kind of music, I guess. But yeah. When you really love the music it usually adds to the band's performance. I've always thought Opeth were a killer band live—and lots of people think I'm insane. But since I know their entire discography by heart, it seems pretty easy to understand. :p

But isn't post-black just a easy way to define black metal that's out of the ordinary? I've seen both Solefald and Alcest being called post-black, but they are clearly not the same genre.

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Alcest is not shoegaze, they use some of its elements and translate it into metal. I personally consider post metal/post black/post rock a silly term and never use it. In fact, i don't give a rat's ass about all those classifications, because they are as subjective as the reviewers who invent them. Just as the reviews are a matter of personal taste, so are these musical terms - seems that different persons mean something else by one and the same term.

If i had to choose, i would call Alcest metalgaze or shoegaze metal, at least those terms reflect what the music is about :rolleyes:

on topic: i yet have to see a neutral/negative review/shout/comment about Alcest's live performance! So far i have only seen much praise. Here's a nice review from the same gig i visited, for those interested (note the comments! :) )

oh and btw, i forgot to post something about Heidevolk gig from april 2. The venue was sold out (or so i was told) and it was one huge party! :kickass::headbang::kickass:


 
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Ahhh! Heidevolk looks fucking awesome live!! :headbang: That's aband I'd love to see. Just listening to that record today. Really, really good. Such good music for a beautiful day..
:lol::lol: no really, those guys rock! if you ever get a chance to see them live, you definitely should! i guess i have seen them something like 10 times now, and it's just as fun! Now especially with the new release!
 
i'm back from yestarday's haggard show.
IT WAS AMAZING!
it's the 4th time i see them, and it's always a wonderful experience!
the only liltte flaw was that one of the sopranos had some problems with her voice, but the rest was PERFECT!
i've still shivers if it think to the show! it's impressive how an haggard show can reach the perfection every fucking time! everything was really gorgeous, scenography, light, sounds, musicians....
and i had the fortune to get a "all areas access" pass, so i could make make photos from the pit, and go backstage :)
it was an amazing photografic experience too! :lol:
today i'm particullary happy! ahahah i've a kind of stupid smile on my face :lol:
haggard do wizardries! :p
 
some photos i've done to haggard, the new photocamera is starting to work how it should and to collaborate :)

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Tonight I'll go to Stavanger to see Ulver play.

Edit: Wow, that was something. Beautiful music and imagery. Garm started crying towards the end, I'm not sure what to think of that.
 
Went to see Atari Teenage Riot last night. I had been looking forward to that show for so long with high expectations, and it was more awesome than I ever imagined possible. Very powerful music, the whole crowd went crazy for the entire 75 or so minutes they played. Would have been even better if one member wasn't absent, but still... what a night, best concert of 2010 so far by a long shot.
 
Tonight I'll go to Stavanger to see Ulver play.

Edit: Wow, that was something. Beautiful music and imagery. Garm started crying towards the end, I'm not sure what to think of that.

I post a comment in Oceans Rise Thread in borks forum but now i saw your comment..they played some black metal songs ? i saw a rumor that they back to play black metal is that true?:confused: