Mac or PC

I really like PC, and i feel my system setup is stable as any other MAC. But you probably need more experience setting up your PC rigg, duo the hardware can cause allot of problems. But you need to consider a couple of things like price etc.

Iit has always bugged me that a MAC can cost up to 3times more than a PC with the same hardware spec.
But in the end i belive both systems can be as stable and unstable depending on what you put on your computer.
 
I think the best thing to do is figure out what DAW you like to use, then pick the best computer you can afford to go with it...Like Sonar, get a PC...Like DP or Logic, get a MAC, etc...that being said, the 'mac is more expensive' thing is simply untrue, at least for the US....I paid less than $2000 for my 8 core mac pro, it would've cost me about that much or more to build a PC with similar specs (at the time, at least)....that being said, I don't think there is a single computer in the current Apple lineup (bottom to top of the line) that could not be the center of someone's home recording setup....
 
I paid less than 900 euro for my MacBook, which is about the same amount of money or even less than what you should spend on a PC laptop that can be taken seriously.

On the top of that, once you take a PC out from the store its value drops drastically. I could still get at least 700e if I sold my MacBook.
 
grkmetlhed said:
that being said, the 'mac is more expensive' thing is simply untrue, at least for the US....I paid less than $2000 for my 8 core mac pro, it would've cost me about that much or more to build a PC with similar specs (at the time, at least)....
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I built one for $1500 last summer (two Xeon 5500s on a server-grade ASUS board, more RAM than I can remember, et cetera) - but the important point is that it's not impossible for an Apple to compete on price. When their tablets come out we'll see how well they can inflate things in that field, but if you throw in the cost of a new copy of Windows then prices start getting to be less important for new PCs. The big difference is going to be - as you said - in used prices.

Jeff
 
James Murphy said:
nonsense... i stay online all day, and have no protection software at all.. i go anywhere i want and click on anything i want.. i don't even think about it.
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me too! porn/torrents included:goggly:

James Murphy said:
hint: ALL CAPS, for more than a word or two at a time, doesn't give your words any more weight... it's just annoying.
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sorry, it's a rarity for me, i generally mind my e-manners.

James Murphy said:
anyway, didn't we put a moratorium... or even a permanent ban, i think.... on new threads with this subject some time back? let's enforce that.
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agreed. this gets everyones panties in a twist, even though as has been said, i think we have handled it about as maturely/productively as any forum on the intarwebs ever possibly could.
 
I don't see a problem with this thread. It's an ever evolving issue and why not share some civil, hopefully objective thoughts on the subject? The people who are tired of those threads can simply keep out of them... It's not like they're cluttering the forum with 5 new threads on that subject a day.
 
slashvanyoung said:
I don't see a problem with this thread. It's an ever evolving issue and why not share some civil, hopefully objective thoughts on the subject? The people who are tired of those threads can simply keep out of them... It's not like they're cluttering the forum with 5 new threads on that subject a day.
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The problem here is that more often than not these threads turn pretty much the opposite to civil and objective at some point. I do agree that with the release of Windows 7 the subject is pretty timely again, though.
 
its got nothing to do with knowing how to tweak your OS to work perfectly - windows is simply a bad design and windows 7 is its crying call of a dying man - its going to fail epically by 2010 IMHO - just wait and see

and like i said... you shouldn't have to tweak your OS to work - it should just work - by tweaking it etc your wasting your own fucking production time right? yes

like i said in my earlier posts i've used windows for so dam long (since 97 or 98) and i would consider my self a serious tech nerd and a major windows power user and it still fails epically for me. thats why i swapped to mac - believe me i know my shit when it comes to windows and i can generally fix any problem i've ever had on a windows machine... but i shouldn't have to fix it - it shouldn't have been there in the 1st place
 
Ok, so I'll get flamed for this but I can only pass on my experience. I run a large network that has 1000+ machines. These machines are used predominately by students and are flogged to death every day. Their application ranges from basic desktop use to pro quality graphic application, there is some daw use but not much and certainly not at a very high level. A few mbox/pt setups and a few logic setups.

We have around 300 macs in the fleet. I can assure you that they have just as many problems as the PCs. They do not out perform the PCs on any front. I've been doing this for 12 years and never had a virus infection on any machine. When we do have a problem with a Mac it is a much bigger hassle than on a PC, when you search the web for help and you have a knowledge pool from a very small percentage of the market, less users equals less help.

You should also note that the majority of users prepared to weigh in on this debate, not only on this site but every where you go on the internet, are going to be Mac users. You are going to get a bias result for a post like this.

I don't care what people use. I use Macs and PCs all the time and at the end of the day they are just another tool. I actually quite like Macs, it's the "Macified" users that get me. I used to stick up for Mac but then once I was at the Mac shop and I over heard a salesman saying "oh the Wacom tablet... let me check... their $189... theses are great, you can't run these on a PC" when my department purchased 30 of them the day before for $59 each for the specific use on PCs.

Then there was the time when I was working on a film score and the film make rang me and said "my main hard drive is dead, I've contacted the Mac shop where I bought it and their saying it's not covered under warranty because I didn't pay them for some extra cover that I didn't understand. Away they're telling me it's going to be $700 to replace the drive and rebuild the machine" I told him what I though so he brought the machine to me and within 20 minutes we had a new 150GB HDD, not 80GB like they were going to use, and a system reinstall running all for under $200 (it was a few years ago, drive were more expensive). I'm not kidding these things actually happened.

I could go on but I won't.

My advise for most users is to use the OS that you know how to use. If your starting out new go for a PC because the extra money you spend on a Mac has no value. If you've been using a Mac for years and that's what you know how to use then stick with it. When we buy Macs these days we do as many upgrades as we can, such as RAM upgrades etc ourselves. Don't buy parts from Apple, you will pay too much. You can buy identical components elsewhere at much cheaper prices.

So the end result, in my opinion, is if you know and understand Macs then use a Mac if you don't then there really is no compelling argument to start using one.
 
mick thompson said:
its got nothing to do with knowing how to tweak your OS to work perfectly - windows is simply a bad design and windows 7 is its crying call of a dying man - its going to fail epically by 2010 IMHO - just wait and see

and like i said... you shouldn't have to tweak your OS to work - it should just work - by tweaking it etc your wasting your own fucking production time right? yes

like i said in my earlier posts i've used windows for so dam long (since 97 or 98) and i would consider my self a serious tech nerd and a major windows power user and it still fails epically for me. thats why i swapped to mac - believe me i know my shit when it comes to windows and i can generally fix any problem i've ever had on a windows machine... but i shouldn't have to fix it - it shouldn't have been there in the 1st place
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the dead horse. it is being beaten :erk:

i don't think you're incorrect perse, mick, just very exaggerated... windows isn't that bad, c'mon now.

the only real "tweaking" i'll insist on is a clean format. a store-bought windows machine is a nightmare until the bloatware is obliterated! fuck you mcafee, GTFO with your virus-like installation that can't be removed and insistance that i purchase you!

i think if everyones step one was a clean format of their new PC then microsoft users as a whole would be a much happier race.

yes yes, let me stop before you even rebut: "you shouldn't HAVE to format a new PC! it should just work!"

anywho, you guize can go on about windows horror stories all day, i just can't resist continuously reminding you all that i have 100% up-time and rock solid stability/speed with my set up. which, minus the monitors / overkill graphics card, was around $400 to put together.

and windows7 deserves more credit, this is the first windows release....... well, EVER, that hasn't been immediately flamed right out of the gate. there must be something pretty good about it, you KNOW that everyone on both sides of the fence had their pitchforks out ready to kill it like every new windows release.
 
I've used windows. I've used macs. I've used linux.

In all three of these platforms I have yet to encounter any real problems that weren't my stupid fault.
 
mick thompson said:
windows 7 is its crying call of a dying man - its going to fail epically by 2010 IMHO - just wait and see
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You do realize that 2010 is only a few weeks away?

Öwen;8744147 said:
I've used windows. I've used macs. I've used linux.

In all three of these platforms I have yet to encounter any real problems that weren't my stupid fault.
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Now that's the most sensible thing I've heard so far!
 
Wow, thanks for all the feedback guys.
I'm amazed at how civil you all stayed!

So my next question is:
How limited do you think my friend would be for audio production on a macbook pro?
 
Nauru said:
So my next question is:
How limited do you think my friend would be for audio production on a macbook pro?
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"macbook pro" isn't saying anything about the specifications of the laptop, and how 'limiting' it is depends entirely on what your friend wants to do. A MacBook Pro should suffice for general recording applications. Other than that, how well it'll suffice, will depend on processing power, memory, etc. On the top of that he needs an external HDD(or at least an internal at 7200 rpm) and obviously, a good audio interface.
 
sopulurn said:
"macbook pro" isn't saying anything about the specifications of the laptop, and how 'limiting' it is depends entirely on what your friend wants to do. A MacBook Pro should suffice for general recording applications. Other than that, how well it'll suffice, will depend on processing power, memory, etc. On the top of that he needs an external HDD(or at least an internal at 7200 rpm) and obviously, a good audio interface.
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Alright, I'm not sure exactly what the specifications he will be getting are, but let's assume Dual Core, 2.53 GHz, 4 Gigs ram, and he is using an external hard drive. Just a basic, lower end macbook pro. And I don't want to factor audio gear in, because while that obviously makes a huge difference, I just want to focus on the limitations of the computer.
 
Well, basically I think it would be safe to say that would be the best laptop for music production you could get. Towers are on a whole new level though, but if laptop is what your friend needs and he can afford it, then he should definitely go with that MBP.
 
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