I will agree with you Jasonic on everything with the promo, commercialism, etc. But the lead guitarist plays maiden-esque riffs at times, a la, A7X and such. The guy is not a no talent hack like most emo-hardcore/metalcore bands. The guitarist can play. At least in studio. I don't know anything about them live. Hell this band isn't exactly a favorite of mine. But I'm staying true to my word, that I don't trash bands based on reputation/image.
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AngraRULES
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Ok, here's the deal... if you're gonna get based on a fucking picture, PLEASE don't see Adagio's guitarist Stephan Forte in this latest tour, promo pictures or anything like that. He looks like a goth poser basically. Still, he's one of the most fucking amazing guitarists that has ever stepped on this world and deserves the uttermost respect as a songwriter.
In fact, despite his eyeliner and such, all of his previous work are better than anything Iron Maiden has done since before Bruce left the band (with the exception of Brave New World).
In fact, despite his eyeliner and such, all of his previous work are better than anything Iron Maiden has done since before Bruce left the band (with the exception of Brave New World).
General Zod
Ruler of Australia
I said the following:Jasonic said:
I could see it if they needed BfmV to sell tickets, but they don't.
I'm not sure how someone would infer that I was suggesting that BfmV was added to sell tickets.
Zod
Jasonic
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Guys-
I was only semi-serious about the promo photo being the reason why I wouldn't care for this band.
I have heard they are emo-core, which to me is nothing I would be interested in.
The promo photo doesn't help in my opinion, so it was a cheap shot.
Nothing to get your panties in a bunch over.
I was only semi-serious about the promo photo being the reason why I wouldn't care for this band.
I have heard they are emo-core, which to me is nothing I would be interested in.
The promo photo doesn't help in my opinion, so it was a cheap shot.
Nothing to get your panties in a bunch over.
Jasonic
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General Zod said:
Ok, gotcha.... Either way, I agree with you that Maiden doesn't need anyone to help sell tickets. Though, last time they did a headline tour was with DIO and MOTORHEAD, which definitely helped those older fans who were probably on the fence.
AngraRULES
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Jasonic said:
Thanks for explaining, now I get your point.
And nothing you ever say will cause any type of reaction inside my underwear lol. And they're not panties.
General Zod
Ruler of Australia
You may be right. However, here in NJ/NY, when Dio tours he's playing to 1,000 people (some nights, less). When Maiden toured, they sold out MSG (20,000).Jasonic said:
To Glenn's point, I understand why BfmV is on this tour. I just wish Sony had a clue. Maiden fans aren't going to run out after these shows and buy BfmV CDs. And the few BfmV fans that get tickets, probably won't go buy Maiden CDs after the show. So in the long run, this tour helps neither Maiden, BfmV nor Sony. If Sony was smart, they'd sign Iced Earth and send them out with Maiden. Iced Earth would see a tremendous benefit, which would put more money, long term, into Sony's pockets.
Zod
Jasonic
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I really think bands need to be very careful when shooting promo photos.
As much as we all say, "Oh , looks don't matter" they do.
They do especially for bands you aren't familiar with or haven't heard yet.
Sure, we may not care now that John Petrucci has a nu-metal haircut, but it might deter someone from checking them out if they were a new band, whether you think so or not.
Same with these newer bands like Bullet, Avenged Sevenfold or Trivium. They look like Hot Topic dorks in their pictures which is an extreme turn off, esp when initial reviews write them off as nu metal or metalcore.
As much as we all say, "Oh , looks don't matter" they do.
They do especially for bands you aren't familiar with or haven't heard yet.
Sure, we may not care now that John Petrucci has a nu-metal haircut, but it might deter someone from checking them out if they were a new band, whether you think so or not.
Same with these newer bands like Bullet, Avenged Sevenfold or Trivium. They look like Hot Topic dorks in their pictures which is an extreme turn off, esp when initial reviews write them off as nu metal or metalcore.
Jasonic
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Zod -
Well, I think from Sony's point they figure the more people Bullet plays in front of (regardless who they are) the more who might buy their albums. Probably 90% (if not more) of the crowd at the Maiden shows will not own BFMV CDs. But if even 5% are turned on, that could turn into about 1,000 CD sales an evening.
Also, if they have the same management, does that mean that Bullet doesn't have to "buy onto" the tour? That could be a benefit for all involved as well.
It just seems to me that there are a lot more deserving bands who have worked longer and harder in the underground who would be more worthy (And I am not saying that simply because I am not a fan)
Well, I think from Sony's point they figure the more people Bullet plays in front of (regardless who they are) the more who might buy their albums. Probably 90% (if not more) of the crowd at the Maiden shows will not own BFMV CDs. But if even 5% are turned on, that could turn into about 1,000 CD sales an evening.
Also, if they have the same management, does that mean that Bullet doesn't have to "buy onto" the tour? That could be a benefit for all involved as well.
It just seems to me that there are a lot more deserving bands who have worked longer and harder in the underground who would be more worthy (And I am not saying that simply because I am not a fan)
General Zod
Ruler of Australia
I agree with you, that's probably their logic. However, I think it's faulty logic. I suspect 1/3 of Maiden's audience won't even venture in, 1/3 will be turned off as soon as they lay eyes on BfmV, and the other 1/3 will be turned off when they hear them.Jasonic said:
Couldn't even guess.Jasonic said:
Amen.Jasonic said:
Zod
BFMV falls into the "cool ebough to download but not buy" category for me. They have some stuff that's pretty decent. They sound like a spawn of Trivium with better screaming but worse clean vocals.
Here's my broken-record response to an IM tour:
Gee, I can't wait to get beaten over the head with 40-45 minutes of brand-new material.
And also, I can't wait to hear The same ol', same ol' in the oldies dept.uke:
Unless this is the tour that IM were going to be using to play LP #'s 4-8, then I highly expect to be bored sensless with the setlist if I go.
Gee, I can't wait to get beaten over the head with 40-45 minutes of brand-new material.
And also, I can't wait to hear The same ol', same ol' in the oldies dept.
uke: Unless this is the tour that IM were going to be using to play LP #'s 4-8, then I highly expect to be bored sensless with the setlist if I go.
Walter_Langkowski said:Here's my broken-record response to an IM tour:
Gee, I can't wait to get beaten over the head with 40-45 minutes of brand-new material.
And also, I can't wait to hear The same ol', same ol' in the oldies dept.
Unless this is the tour that IM were going to be using to play LP #'s 4-8, then I highly expect to be bored sensless with the setlist if I go.
I rather like that Iron Maiden has always played a lot of material from the album they're touring for. It makes for a unique show, and allows one to see several songs that are rarely if ever going to be played again on future tours.
I generally agree about the older material... "The Trooper", "Fear Of The Dark", "The Number Of The Beast", and "Iron Maiden" are great, but I'd rather hear something a little different. Though they have at least mixed it up to some extent in recent years, putting stuff like "Revelations" and even "22 Acacia Avenue" into live sets in 2003 and 2004.
I would have liked to see the set from last year with the 1980 - 1983 material, but I didn't really feel like going to OzzFest for it. Even then, they did sorta stick to a lot of the more well-known songs that they often play anyway, whereas it would have been cool if they threw in something like "Genghis Khan" or "To Tame A Land".
Some have suggested that they will do a tour next summer featuring material from the next few albums after Piece Of Mind... who knows if this is true, but if so, that will be pretty cool, IMO, since there are only so many commonly-played tracks from those discs, and they'll have to dig into some lesser-played stuff. Maybe having 3 guitarists now, they could finally even do a first-ever live rendition of "Alexander The Great".
Clark Griswold
WallyWorld anyone?
longshot9 said:
There should be. Houston is usually a sellout every time they come. Come On Houston!! *crosses fngers in hopes of Houston show
Jasonic
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Ok, for the zillionth time....
Maiden has made it VERY public that they will only play limited US shows.
Ozzfest was their last lengthy US run.
Don't be surprised if they aren't coming to your area.
On the topic of their set list.
Personally, I think it is great that they play new material live.
I am especially looking forward to this tour , as they only did a couple US shows for Dance of Death. Therefore, there will be 2 albums worth of material I have not heard live yet.
I do agree though that they need to mix up the older material.
I was a little dissapointed with the Ozzfest setlist. Considering they had an hour plus to focus on the 1st four albums, about 85% of the setlist were songs from those albums which are normally played live anyhow. (Murders in the Rue Morgue was one exception, maybe one or two more).
Maiden has made it VERY public that they will only play limited US shows.
Ozzfest was their last lengthy US run.
Don't be surprised if they aren't coming to your area.
On the topic of their set list.
Personally, I think it is great that they play new material live.
I am especially looking forward to this tour , as they only did a couple US shows for Dance of Death. Therefore, there will be 2 albums worth of material I have not heard live yet.
I do agree though that they need to mix up the older material.
I was a little dissapointed with the Ozzfest setlist. Considering they had an hour plus to focus on the 1st four albums, about 85% of the setlist were songs from those albums which are normally played live anyhow. (Murders in the Rue Morgue was one exception, maybe one or two more).
Jasonic
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I think they need to work out all the kinks with the DEATH ON THE ROAD DVD first... 
I think I read a while back that they were indeed working on the History Vol 2. The first one was great. Possibly my favorite metal DVD of all time.
I think I read a while back that they were indeed working on the History Vol 2. The first one was great. Possibly my favorite metal DVD of all time.Similar threads
