Marshall JCM 2000 TSL
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Lasse Lammert
HCAF Blitzkrieg
haha, i read some older posts on the tsl before posting. i expected a "nothing" from you as an answer to my question. 
altough i don't quite get how the dsl and the tsl can be so different. after all the are marketed more or less than as the same amp with different features. can you fill me in on what i don't seem to know here?
as for the 400: you don't happen to know anyone who's selling a tsl for that amount of money, do you?
altough i don't quite get how the dsl and the tsl can be so different. after all the are marketed more or less than as the same amp with different features. can you fill me in on what i don't seem to know here?
as for the 400: you don't happen to know anyone who's selling a tsl for that amount of money, do you?
I own a DSL and its a great amp but i dont think it would appeal to many on this board and it doesnt do the djent, messuggah, thing at all and there are better amps for modern metal.
What it does excell at though is older type metal like Iron Maiden (Iron Maiden used DSLs to record the last album and have used them live or rlse used the JMP-1 pre-amp into the DSLs poweramp) - basically any older Marshall type sounds - very early Metallica, Slayer, Rage Against the Machine etc...
It can do really heavy but wont sound like a 5150 etc... I got a Blackmore for the more modern stuff.
As for the TSL, i have never played one but have heard repeatedly that they arent as good as the DSL. I dont know why. Having said that, i heard one once with a local band and i thought it sound fine. Nothing spectacular but it could definitely hold its own
What it does excell at though is older type metal like Iron Maiden (Iron Maiden used DSLs to record the last album and have used them live or rlse used the JMP-1 pre-amp into the DSLs poweramp) - basically any older Marshall type sounds - very early Metallica, Slayer, Rage Against the Machine etc...
It can do really heavy but wont sound like a 5150 etc... I got a Blackmore for the more modern stuff.
As for the TSL, i have never played one but have heard repeatedly that they arent as good as the DSL. I dont know why. Having said that, i heard one once with a local band and i thought it sound fine. Nothing spectacular but it could definitely hold its own
Lasse Lammert
HCAF Blitzkrieg
greyskull
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indeed, dsl is okay, but when i still had it and people wanted a marshall sound, theyd play the DSL and go ;
okay that sounds pretty good.
Then id plug them into the 800 and theyd go...
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
and the dsl would gather dust again, so i sold it for 300 quid
okay that sounds pretty good.
Then id plug them into the 800 and theyd go...
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
and the dsl would gather dust again, so i sold it for 300 quid
Yeah, that's my point: You can they market the two being the same (=JCM2000s) if they're not? (Well, both are JCM2000s but they are not the same amp obviously.)
I'd get a 800 but I need a clean channel (and therefore like having independent EQs - that's why I thought TSL > DSL).
I have a TSL and I think it's a good amp. I think you can get a lot of versatility between the 3 channels and it really benefits well from having an overdrive in front of it to have some nice boost action.
I like my Dual Recto a lot more, but the TSL is still very decent.
I like my Dual Recto a lot more, but the TSL is still very decent.
Lasse Lammert
HCAF Blitzkrieg
the TSL is for the JCM2000 what the 4100 Dualreverb is for the JCM900.
and I don't wanna say all jcm900 suck, some of those are very good.....I just never liked Marshall's amps with diode distortion+alibi tubes (the 4100 and TSL)
and I don't wanna say all jcm900 suck, some of those are very good.....I just never liked Marshall's amps with diode distortion+alibi tubes (the 4100 and TSL)
slashvanyoung
Dopefish lives!
Good god, yes! To make the 2210 really shine IMO, it's gotta be pushed... and that's so fuckin loud...
As great as the 800s are, I'd have a hard time finding a reason to take one over a JVM nowadays. The JVMs deliver everything the 800 did and so much more (without even having to think about a gain or whatever mod).
Trevoire520
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Tbh I wouldn't touch a TSL with a 10 foot bargepole. Been using a DSL for a few years and when I compared it to a TSL when buying I thought the TSL didn't sound much better than the valvestates!
Was in a guitar shop today trying out some amps to replace my DSL (not cutting it for me anymore) Vintage Modern wasn't great for heavy tones, JVM was very versatile but the JCM800 blew everything else out the water tone wise. Really hoping the Peavey Windsor sounds as close the the 800 as I've heard as its over £500 cheaper!
Was in a guitar shop today trying out some amps to replace my DSL (not cutting it for me anymore) Vintage Modern wasn't great for heavy tones, JVM was very versatile but the JCM800 blew everything else out the water tone wise. Really hoping the Peavey Windsor sounds as close the the 800 as I've heard as its over £500 cheaper!
Well, I don't *need* to get one right now. I just came across a TSL for ~750 and I wasn't sure if that was a good deal or not. I remember playing through a TSL Combo at music school and I quite liked the sound. But then again that was ages ago...
From what I've read so far I'm not really sold on the TSL. I love the features it has but it's reputation doesn't seem to be too good.
I'll probably buy an amp in the next six months or so, not sure. So I'll just keep looking.
Those 2210/2205 look cool though! I haven't come across these so far but from what I can see they have a dedicated clean channel that even has it's own two-band EQ, right?
Though what I'm worried about is this:
I already looked into the JVMs and they seem very cool. Unfortunetaly quite expensive as well and I so far I couldn't find a used one.
Also there's a two-channel and a four-channel version. Well, kinda obvious I can under no circumstances go with the 'smaller' one, right?
I know a guy who is selling his Peavey Triple XXX. That might be an option as well.
fade_2_black
Member
I have a JCM2000 TSL and I think its awesome.. I love the tone Im getting out of it at the moment - I spent weeks and weeks trying to sort my tone before recording and now I dig it. If you have the gain cranked then it sounds pretty average IMO. I sit the gain around 6 (!!) and it sounds raw as fuck - still dynamic and crushing!!
I have it recorded on my bands myspace - www.myspace.com/anabyssmetal - but, that tone was before I had the amp FULLY perfected - that was like.. 90% right, ha.
I have it recorded on my bands myspace - www.myspace.com/anabyssmetal - but, that tone was before I had the amp FULLY perfected - that was like.. 90% right, ha.
Not to trash your opinion greyskull, but the JVM does have it's proponents, including Jens, if I'm not mistaken. Me on the other hand, I agree with you. Anything with digital circuitry is to be trusted about as much as a woman who asks how much money you make first thing on the first date.
