Mesa Dual Rectos 2ch vs. 3 ch

Anyone here have a opinion between these?

A lot of people swear by the older 2 channel versions. I've had a few of them in the studio but always though different cabs so its tough to have a subjective opinion.

Has anyone A/Bed the two?
 
I've owned a handful of both. Out of all the ones I've had, all of the 2 channels sounded great where as only 1 of the 3 channel models (out of about 5) good. I prefer my older 2 channel model. Does it mean it's better? No, but I personally like it better.
 
I've an older 2 channel one aswell. But I always notice a big difference between the 2 channels when I have them both set to Modern mode. Its weird. All though my tubes are in bad shape and I've just ordered a nice full retube set from eurotubes and I'm hoping this will help my amp, my mesa is one sick puppy at the moment. Just doesn't have the tone it should have!!!

Which chaneel on the 2 channel one do people find better and why?
 
i find the best sound with the channel select set to orange,orange channel gain select set to variable high gain,channel cloning set to orange to modern,loop on orange and red,send level 3 'oclockmix level 100percent,silicondiodes ,,and bold,,i like to run an mxr in the loop,,i have a 97 triple,some say the older ones 500and under serial number are the best,,i never heard one ,though look on ebay ,there is an old one on now,prolly going to go for 1500,i want it!
 
oooops!! i hear with my ears more gain on the 3channel but not as warm sounding,,my advice is to buy a 2channel as they are no longer made, take it to guitar center and a/b the hell out of it,,better yet take them both to rehersal!you will always get your money back for the 2channel,and they prolly will run the 3channels another10years!i hope my rant helps~
 
and hell yeah !i like my 2channel better...seems more is never better!!!,,why not just build them like they did in the 90s?and only 1 f^%$$#@ channel!!!!i want clean i'll buy an old fender!!!
 
Ok, I have a couple of questions, hope you have the patience to read this, because I've been wondering this for a the past 1.5 years.

I've had a triple rectifier for 1.5 years now.
I run it trought a mesa 4x12 cab.

I've always thought it sounds muddy. I use the second channel (orange, vintage mode) for rythm 'cause the 3rd red channel is not as thight.
On the second (red) channel my settings are something like:
Presence: 3 o'clock !
Vol: 6 o'clock
Gain: 3 o'clock
Bass: 11 o'clock
Mid: 9 o'clock
Treble: 3 o'clock !
(+master LOUD!)

You probably think what the hell am I doing 'cause I have so much presence and treble, but I've found that if I use less of them, the sound is too closed and muddy and we always have to brighten it up from the console (live situations at least). Now I also have maxon OD9 in the chain which makes the sound more open and just plain better, but now I'm thinking "how good would the sound be, if I've had a better sounding unit (after comparing some settings someone here was using with dual recto, I would think my unit stinks or there has to be something wrong with it... doubt it thought, because I maintain it frequently)

If somebody here has a triple, what kind of settings do you use? could you post them so I could compare...

About this thread: I've never been able to a/b and old 2 channel recto to a new one or a triple, but it would be interesting if somebody could post a comparison made with same signal chain/mic/pre etc AND FINALLY HEAR THE DIFFERENCE in my own ears so we could all shut up about this never ending subject. Everybody has opinions and other point of views...
 
disclaimer: i don't own a recto (YET! i'm still GASing for one)

however, after talking to a lot of recto players, i know a couple of things that you could try. this is mostly modern voicing though..
you said you're using a tubescreamer, so you already have some slight gain boost going on. in this case maybe you should turn the gain down to around 13:00 max 14:00
turn the mids up! i know a lot of guys LOVE their mids cranked. you don't have to turn them way up, but i'd at least get them in the 12:00 range. at least.
having the treble high on a mesa is actually quite a good thing, due to the way the eq controls work. i'm not totally sure about the rectos here, but their older amps have cascadic gain stages and pre distortion eq, meaning that the higher the treble is set, the more signal passes through the treble control, i.e. more available gain. most mark series players tend to crank the mids to around 16:00 in order to get the most possible gain out of them
in a band context, one should generally keep the presence lower IMHO. this isn't really as crucial for recording, but when playing live i tend to have the presence totally off. IMHO (and here it gets very subjective) at high volumes the super high presence frequencies get only blocked out by the drummer's cymbals and wash out the mix. when playing alone you don't notice this, actually the guitar tends to sound fuller as there's a larger frequency range covered. same goes for excessive lowend. alone it sounds great and earth shaking, but in a band context you're fighting the kick and bass guitar, a fight you cannot win in the end ;)

last but not least, you could try to experiment with the master and channel volumes. for example, on my marshall i have the channel volumes almost cranked, with the master only around 11:00. when i still had my engl blackmore, i have the master cranked way up, and used the lead channel volume to control overall loudness. things can sound way different depending on how you have those two controls set. on a mesa it might be a little difficult to get crazy with it though, as the channel volume also sets the fx send strength IIRC.

hope this helps some. as always, those are just a few suggestions, no strict rules ;) ;)
 
hi Dave,

the 2 channel model has always done it for me.

ps... the submix for lenzig is ready to go.. call ya later.
 
Right on guys, thanks for the help. I'm gonna try and find an older one.

James, I'll PM you with the IP and user/pass. Give me a call if it gives you any trouble. Hung out with Lenzig last night actually, we're both getting really excited about the track! :rock:
 
Well my experience with the 2 ch versions was that they were not reliable in the studio. All 3 of the different ones I used, one of which I owned and bought new, were different. Every time we turned in on each new day of a session, it sounded different. They all did this. All the years we ever used them. Then they started making these new 3 ch versions and they didnt do that. I used one for a Reamp session a few months ago and it sounded exactly the same every day for 3 weeks. I used the red ch 3, modern, silicon rectifier, bold. I loved it, was incredible.

Colin
 
Shit, well I know of one 3ch version that I'm positive sounds good. I used it on the last Cephalic and the Summon. It also belongs to a client who has a pretty hefty studio balance with me right now so I might have some bargaining power. :grin:

I guess I just need to get both versions in here and A/B through one of my cabs.

Colin, good job on the latest Vile stuff BTW. If you get a chance, check one one of my projects Dethroned, its kinda up your alley. www.dethronedhorde.com
 
leave it to colin to pipe in with a contrary opinion.... lol. t.b.h. though, unlike the sweetener and some others here i've never reallly heard any "bad propaganda" about the 3ch rectos... just never really had one in the studio or played one at all really, so as far as i know they are great. the 2ch models have certainly always been fine for me, and desipite the "absoluteness" of Colin's experience with inconsistancy in the sound, i've not had this problem. in fact, i used one just recently to reamp the DAATH album guitars, which was done over 2 days because i started too late the first night to finish completely.... a/b test with the tracks from the first night and the tracks from the second day revealed no differences in the sound at all.

and to follow up on the DAATH story for those of you here that have been following it... i have found a record deal for the band and the album i produced, mixed, and mastered for them, The Hinderers, will be released by early next year, worldwide. i'll update as to what label and more accurate release date as soon as pen is put to paper on the deal, which is being negotiated now. \m/
 
"propaganda" perhaps sounds too dramatic. one year ago I wanted to buy a Rectifier for the studio. I had only worked with the 2 channels for years, which were (ar this time) no longer available new. So I talked to some people and read a lot on different forums, where people were talking about differences in sound, most of them prefered the 2 channel. I did not want to take any risk so I bought a used one.
One statement that many people refer to is from one of the Linkin Park guitarists, who said that he bought a huge number of old Rectifiers before they run out of production, because he did not like the new ones.
 
wow, are there some new cephalic carnage songs going on dave? ( looking at the conversation between you and JM..)
that would be awesome!! i played my first show ever as a support for cephalic.. say hi to lenzig for me!! ( jb, bassplayer from seizure ) that dude is awesome haha..

btw, question in between... what amps were used on songs like Invertas Indica (The Marijuana Convictions)? how many tracks? what pick ups? any secrets?
it sound fucking heavy man!!

and how do you useally go about compressing guitar?

thanks,

JB. (i don't wanna hijack your thread btw, so i can make my own on this subject of you want..)
 
Seizure. said:
wow, are there some new cephalic carnage songs going on dave? ( looking at the conversation between you and JM..)
that would be awesome!!
sorry, no new Cephalic Carnage....Len is singing on something i'm doing as a guest... and i'm sending a submix to Dave so he can track Len for me.... that's all the details yer gettin'. :p
 
2 channel, 3 channel, what if they release a 10 channel!@#%$:loco: This will always be a debate, it is every 3 days at the HC forums, in fact there is a 5 page or so thread about it now. I saw Cryptopsy a few days ago and the one guitarist used a 3 channel that sounded great!! I bet with a tube upgrade you could get very close to the sound of the old ones. I really doubt that the 3 channels are that bad. People are out to make it seem like Mesa Boogie would intentionally release a subpar product, which I don't believe. Just my 2 cents though.

-Joe