Metal owes everything to the African American

[JayKeeley]

All paths eventually lead to Robert Johnson, Chuck Berry, and Jimi Hendrix.

True or False?

Discuss.

:Spin:

 

[NAD]

blues -> rock n' roll -> metal

Where did the blues come from? Southern blacks. Nuff said.

 

[JayKeeley]

True. I'm glad you included Robert Johnson.

Yeah, he's impossible to forget.

I would have included Phil Lynott as well, but you know, he 'aint American.

 

[NAD]

I'm glad I insulted you in my edit thingy before noticing that.

EDIT: It didn't show up! I called you a dirty post-editting negro or something to that effect.

 

[Ayeka]

That's pretty much how it goes. But at the same time you must notice that Slayer is a far cry from Elmore James

 

[Black Winter Day]

Back in the 20s, 30s and 40s, the guitar was considered a "my pals instrument".

Don't forget about jazz. And rap. And funk!

 

[Caelum Adustum]

I don't give a fukkk.

By the way, I think I saw one of you guys mention this in another thread, but...Why do we refer to negroes as african americans still? Are white people ever considered euro-americans?

 

[NAD]

I don't give a fukkk.

Hahahaha.

Why do we refer to negroes as african americans still? Are white people ever consider euro-americans?

Yes, white Americans are always talking about their European ancestry, it's pretty weak. Personally I like to refer to everyone as my pals or even nicka!, whether you are white black purple or spotted.

 

[Krilons Resa]

I think it is really far-fetched that any genre owes everything to anyone but I see the link. Imo, it still doesn't mean shit.

 

[Caelum Adustum]

I'd actually consider many metal bands nowadays more closely related to classical music than to blues, but, yes, the link is still there.

 

[JayKeeley]

I'd actually consider many metal bands nowadays more closely related to classical music than to blues, but, yes, the link is still there.

[devil's advocate mode]

The prominent rock/metal musicians to obviously utilize classical & minor scales were Ritchie Blackmore (Rainbow/Deep Purple), Eddie Van Halen, Randy Rhoads, and Yngwie J. Malmsteen. They essentially merged this into an already existing rock music foundation, which of course was derived from blues and so forth.

[/devil's advocate mode]

Btw, I'm not sure if classical music alone has that much of an impact without the rock/blues based counterpart? Perhaps the inherent use of the guitar proves that. There are exceptions...pure keyboard based 'metal' with all classical scales, and bands like Apocalyptica.

 

[Demonspell]

I'll have to agree with Caelum and Doomcifer here, the link is still there, but in many cases it is little more than a distant ancestor instead of being directly descended, and it is very possible for metal to break completely from those roots.

 

[HarmonyDies....]

It doesn't really have much to do with classical theory actually, classical theory and structure is alot more complex than people who play really fast arpeggios. I think really metal as evolved into it's all little niche, may SOUND like classical due to use of folk instruments and such, but again not really basis. It still gets most of its roots from Blue ---> Rock and so on, because I mean look at thrash metal, you solo in pentatonic scale half the time, which is mainly used in blues. Anywho, I agree with you JayKeely.

 

[NAD]

Yeah, I don't hear classical structure very often, if ever, in metal. Maybe some concept albums that have distinct movements instead of songs, but even that's a stretch.

Electric guitar + riff = blues, therefore metal. Or something.

fuck me I should be shot for making music into a math theorem

 

[Erik]

look at thrash metal, you solo in pentatonic scale half the time

Scales? Thrash metal?


DOES NOT COMPUTE

 

[JayKeeley]

It doesn't really have much to do with classical theory actually, classical theory and structure is alot more complex than people who play really fast arpeggios.

Anyone seen Crossroads?

The devil is a black man, heh.

His sidekick servant is a white metal dude, Steve Vai.

Blind Dog Willie, having sold his soul to the devil back in the day, now wants his freedom and needs Karate Kid (a cassical music student who yearns to learn the *real* blues) to help 'close the contract'.

So the two white guys, Karate Kid and Steve Vai, go head to head in a duel, throwing blues licks at each other from head to toe, surrounded by onlooking screaming black church folk.....it's a madhouse....

....and when all the blues and slide guitar licks are used up, and defeat is looking imminent, the only way Karate Kid can win is if he pulls out his secret weapon: sweeping classical appregios up and down a 21 fret Telecaster....with just his fingers, haha.....!!!

Steve Vai, having met his match, drops his guitar and walks away. Karate Kid is teh winnar! Contract is closed! Blind Dog Willie is free at last, free at last!

Moral of the Story: White Classical beats the Black Bart Blues!

*cue End Credits music: Public Enemy - "Burn Hollywood Burn", haha not really*

 

[Ayeka]

Why do we refer to negroes as african americans still? Are white people ever considered euro-americans?

You only call them African-Americans if they're people of African descent who live in America. Funnily enough I still don't see what's wrong with plain old Black...

 

[J.]

Should i be proud of my English and German heritage? At least the Union Jack is cool.

 

[NAD]

[rant concerning modern black culture]It pisses me off that black Americans were fundamental in creating some of the greatest music (directly and in-) this world has ever seen, yet nowadays they produce the most stagnant, boring, and annoying tripe that makes derivative disco sound fresh.[/stupid rant]

 

[lizard]

I'm an Irish-German-Englishdescendedfromthenormaninvasionandthereforesomethingnorthern-American.