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Dak
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I've always been a bit miffed by the negativity hurled towards America's Volume Dealer especially considering the heavy southern rock influence on Deliverance and Wiseblood. Granted those albums are much more metallic but the sound on AVD really shouldn't have been all that surprising.
Load has some great songs but there are times where you really start the feel the albums length. Its a good album but needs some fat trimming. Same thing with Reload.
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yeah, that's why we loved HELL AWAITS, because it sounded so much like SHOW NO MERCY. and we were so delighted when REIGN IN BLOOD came out and it sounded almost identical to HELL AWAITS, what a relief! thank god they didn't change their style at all, else we'd only have been able to like the debut.
fuck modern slayer, man. i'd take LOAD any day of the week. then again, i really like LOAD tbh. i'd much rather hate on DEATH MAGNETIC which, ironically, is a lot closer to their 'signature sound' than LOAD. turns out it has nothing to do with craving a signature style and everything to do with craving a signature level of quality! funny that.
granted, there are probably some a-holes out there who do exactly as you describe i guess, i just hate when these accusations are thrown at anyone who doesn't like a band's later work, as though it couldn't possibly be for any other reason.
i never claimed that everyone did...
fail on your part and I'm not even going to get into what MF said, unless directly challenged
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Oh yes, because the steaming pile of shit that is load, the benchmark album of selling out, is quality music man. Right up their with the first three Slayer albums you mentioned and the first four Metallica albums
Signature sound =/= carbon copies of the same album.
But there is. The entire album.
I don't even hate it because of some bullshit notion of "selling out" (bit late on that one, they sorta shit the bed when they released the self-titled), but because it is just subpar music. It's bad by even southern rock standards.
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I dont think anyone here said they hate the album "just because they sold out". Im pretty sure it had more to do with them turning into some crappy hard rock band and putting out horrendous music. I remember the first time i put that disc in my stereo, i almost fucking fell out of my chair. Load, Roots and Diablous were the holy trinity of crappy sell-out albums from the 90's.
yes the black album is kind where it started(although that can be and has been argued throughout the years), but it had some good songs and is still kind of thrashy at times. Load is where they completely shit the bed and sold off their assholes. That can't even be argued.
And usually when bands sell out, they end up putting out garbage for the masses... that's the end result most of the time. Which is exactly what they did with the loads. What, you think people who trash those albums secretly enjoy them?
the album is complete shit, and most people agree.
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yes the black album is kind where it started(although that can be and has been argued throughout the years), but it had some good songs and is still kind of thrashy at times. Load is where they completely shit the bed and sold off their assholes. That can't even be argued.
And usually when bands sell out, they end up putting out garbage for the masses... that's the end result most of the time. Which is exactly what they did with the loads. What, you think people who trash those albums secretly enjoy them?
the album is complete shit, and most people agree.
58% on Metal Archives (19 reviews)
2.75 on RYM (6,917 ratings)
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What about Paradise Lost? They started with real growly vocals, then got slightly cleaner with "Icon" and "Draconian Times", before coming out with the commercial sounding "One Second". I haven't heard any of their music since then, so can't comment further.
One of my favourite bands, Anathema also started off sounding like Death Metal, then Gothic, then miserable and depressing ("Alternative 4" and "Judgement") before eventually settling into their modern proggy style.
As for Metallica, I like them but only consider myself a casual fan. Maybe that helps me appreciate all their styles (well, I don't own "Kill Em All" as I'm not into that sort of Thrash). I like the commercial sound of "Load" and "Reload"... I love the unique drum sound of "St. Anger"... and I also quite like "Lulu" because I'd never heard Lou Reed before and again it's a unique sounding album in my collection which at least makes it an interesting listening experience for me. But I can see why hardcore fanatics are always up in arms if they like one particular style and can't evolve with the changes that follow.
I also really like Megadeth's "Risk" and Sepultura's "Roots" (in the case of the latter, it's the only one of theirs that I care about).
However, I have given up on Opeth now that they've abandoned the heaviness. In contrast to Anathema's changes where I like all their evolutionary changes, Opeth's acoustic/retro prog style doesn't appeal to me for whole albums (and this comment is coming from a big Prog Rock fan).
But by far my biggest disappointment was when Pain Of Salvation abandoned the style of their first four albums. They were wonderful cohesive masterpieces to me, and became firm favourites. But their subsequent output just became a collection of disjoined styles which had lost that magic ingredient that I so loved about them initially.
One of my favourite bands, Anathema also started off sounding like Death Metal, then Gothic, then miserable and depressing ("Alternative 4" and "Judgement") before eventually settling into their modern proggy style.
As for Metallica, I like them but only consider myself a casual fan. Maybe that helps me appreciate all their styles (well, I don't own "Kill Em All" as I'm not into that sort of Thrash). I like the commercial sound of "Load" and "Reload"... I love the unique drum sound of "St. Anger"... and I also quite like "Lulu" because I'd never heard Lou Reed before and again it's a unique sounding album in my collection which at least makes it an interesting listening experience for me. But I can see why hardcore fanatics are always up in arms if they like one particular style and can't evolve with the changes that follow.
I also really like Megadeth's "Risk" and Sepultura's "Roots" (in the case of the latter, it's the only one of theirs that I care about).
However, I have given up on Opeth now that they've abandoned the heaviness. In contrast to Anathema's changes where I like all their evolutionary changes, Opeth's acoustic/retro prog style doesn't appeal to me for whole albums (and this comment is coming from a big Prog Rock fan).
But by far my biggest disappointment was when Pain Of Salvation abandoned the style of their first four albums. They were wonderful cohesive masterpieces to me, and became firm favourites. But their subsequent output just became a collection of disjoined styles which had lost that magic ingredient that I so loved about them initially.
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TechnicalBarbarity
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Yea for sure, that's another stinker. I think Megadeth sold out a earlier than that, but they were still releasing good albums. Cryptic Writings is the shit.
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I'm not into the thrash/death metal sound of their previous albums. But the tribal rhythmic nature of "Roots" is something that I did enjoy... a lot.
So for me, it wasn't a case of them selling out (since I was never a fan), but rather one of the change of style attracting a new listener.
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