So Anders you finally tell your truth now, after almost 4 years of silence.
As it seems that you people on this forum are intrested to hear of what really happened between me and Katatonia and that you people actually care about it. I have finally decided to put this to rest once and for all by telling you my story of the whole thing.Take it or leave it.
To start with I can tell you all that neither Anders or Jonas had the guts to tell me straight to my face that I was kicked out from the band .And I haven´t got a really good explanation as to why, until I saw this forum today.
I remember that I had a conversation by the phone with Anders some weeks before I was kicked out.I hadn´t heard a word from him in long time and the booked time for Sunlight studios ( feb or march 1999) draw closer and closer.I asked him if we would go into the studio as planned and what was really happening with the band.I sensed that something wasn´t right.He said that the situation with both Katatonia and his personal life was so fucked up at the moment that it was highly unlikely that there would be a new Katatonia album recorded.He said that if they would go into the studio it would be just him and Jonas doing it all by themselves, cause there wouldn´t be enough time to present/ rehearse the new material for both me and Fredrik.He said that if this recording would happen neither me or Fredrik would participate in it, but we would rehearse the songs to go on tour afterwards. I just said no problem it´s your band, do as you like.Before we ended the conversation I said keep me informed of what happens and Anders said yes sure I will do that.
Some weeks after this conversation I got to know from the news section on the official Katatonia webpage that I wasn´t a member of the band any longer.I even got to know that they had signed a recordcontract with Peaceville Records and that the whole band were in the studio working with the album that later became "Tonight´s Decision".
I really didn´t care about the fact that I wasn´t in the band anymore (I had other things at the time to focus my mind on), but something that made me so goddamn angry was the fact that they didn´t dared to say this to my face in the first place and to tell me what the problem really was. Så där jävla fegt liksom
The first person I confronted this with was with quite a nervous Jonas and he just said ohh I thought that Anders had talked with you abou this. No I said and explained exactly what Anders had said to me on the phone and Jonas said well, this is the last thing we do we with Katatonia ever, there won´t be any tour or anything afterwards.Jonas finished the conversaton withTalk to Anders cause I don´t have anything to do with this.When I finally after a very very long time got the chance to confront Anders about what Jonas had told me he said It´s not just me in the band you know, Jonas is as much responsible for things as I am. When I asked him the reason to why I was kicked out and what the problem was he answered that no matter what, but Katatonia is and will always be a fucked up band.Anders didn´t said a word to me about the so called secrets that he recently revealed in this forum.
Some comments about my performance on the Discouraged Ones album.
Yes, I agree with the fact that it isn´t the best bassplaying captured on a record, but in my point of view there were circumstances around this event that more than in one way effected the result.
I. I got to know with a very short notice that they wanted me to play on the album ( at this time I was not a full member of the band) We had one session at Anders place were we went through some of the songs that ended up on "Discouraged Ones", not all of them though.Then I got a demo tape with the songs that we had gone trough recorded with a drummachine and a very basic guitar to rehearse with. We never rehearsed the songs as a whole band. I actually had no clue whatsoever what the songs would sound like in the end.So I never got the chance to become one with the them from the beginning.
II. The experience in Sunlight studios was just reprehensible(July 1997). This was the 2nd time I was in a professional studio to record, so I was a little bit nervous when I got there.There was absolutely no atmosphere in there and I couldn´t sense any band feeling at all.I was never happy with the bass sound.There wasn´t any real depth and body to it (something that usually is the case when you line the bass instead of using a real amp)I had to play with a pick to get a more clean sound.I had never played bass seriously with a pick before so it was nearly impossible for me to get the right flow in there.I said to Anders afterwards that I honestly didn´t feel good about the result but he said that it was just fine.
These are the songs that actually were played by me on Discouraged Ones:
Stalemate, Relention, Cold Ways, Last Resort, Nerve and Distrust
Anders played on these:
Deadhouse/ A song I never had the time to fully learn. Instrumental/ I didn´t know that this was a real song until Anders said that he would play on it. And finally I Break/ I had some problems with getting the breaks right on this one. Feeling alot of pressure on me as precious time was running I just said to Anders that he should do it.
Jonas played on these songs:
Gone/ This WAS HIS SONG so he played on it, period and Saw you drown/ Same thing here as with I Break I couldn´t get it right from the start so not to waste to much time Jonas played on it.
I don´t remeber if it was Anders or Jonas that played the bass on Quiet World from "Saw You Drown" ep/ I didn´t know of this songs existence until I got into the studio.
All the songs on both S.Y.D. ep (except Scarlet Heavens) and D.O. were recorded at the same time.
One thing is strange though, looking back with all the facts in hand now.Anders and Jonas never ever uttered a word to me about my lack of flow and that I had no sense for the rythm when we started to rehearse the D.O. songs for a possible tour that never happened. So very fuckin neat of them.
I could say alot more about these things and events and reveal some secrets as well. But I won`t do that, cause my hands aint dirty and I would like to keep them clean.Enough said.
To the person that is called Dreadfallen on this forum: I have never been to Finland so you must mistake me for someone else.
To the person here that was unsure if I´m still making music or not: The answer is yes I do, I occassionaly appears under the monickers of 141, Like 10 Thousand Dead Whores and Bizarrpåse Incarnated But I don´t think that any of you here would be intrested to hear it, cause none of them is whatsoever related to metal. It´s purly Postmortem Industrial, Devastating Noise and Perverted tape loops and cut ups.
Once Discouraged,
Mikael Oretoft
As it seems that you people on this forum are intrested to hear of what really happened between me and Katatonia and that you people actually care about it. I have finally decided to put this to rest once and for all by telling you my story of the whole thing.Take it or leave it.
To start with I can tell you all that neither Anders or Jonas had the guts to tell me straight to my face that I was kicked out from the band .And I haven´t got a really good explanation as to why, until I saw this forum today.
I remember that I had a conversation by the phone with Anders some weeks before I was kicked out.I hadn´t heard a word from him in long time and the booked time for Sunlight studios ( feb or march 1999) draw closer and closer.I asked him if we would go into the studio as planned and what was really happening with the band.I sensed that something wasn´t right.He said that the situation with both Katatonia and his personal life was so fucked up at the moment that it was highly unlikely that there would be a new Katatonia album recorded.He said that if they would go into the studio it would be just him and Jonas doing it all by themselves, cause there wouldn´t be enough time to present/ rehearse the new material for both me and Fredrik.He said that if this recording would happen neither me or Fredrik would participate in it, but we would rehearse the songs to go on tour afterwards. I just said no problem it´s your band, do as you like.Before we ended the conversation I said keep me informed of what happens and Anders said yes sure I will do that.
Some weeks after this conversation I got to know from the news section on the official Katatonia webpage that I wasn´t a member of the band any longer.I even got to know that they had signed a recordcontract with Peaceville Records and that the whole band were in the studio working with the album that later became "Tonight´s Decision".
I really didn´t care about the fact that I wasn´t in the band anymore (I had other things at the time to focus my mind on), but something that made me so goddamn angry was the fact that they didn´t dared to say this to my face in the first place and to tell me what the problem really was. Så där jävla fegt liksom
The first person I confronted this with was with quite a nervous Jonas and he just said ohh I thought that Anders had talked with you abou this. No I said and explained exactly what Anders had said to me on the phone and Jonas said well, this is the last thing we do we with Katatonia ever, there won´t be any tour or anything afterwards.Jonas finished the conversaton withTalk to Anders cause I don´t have anything to do with this.When I finally after a very very long time got the chance to confront Anders about what Jonas had told me he said It´s not just me in the band you know, Jonas is as much responsible for things as I am. When I asked him the reason to why I was kicked out and what the problem was he answered that no matter what, but Katatonia is and will always be a fucked up band.Anders didn´t said a word to me about the so called secrets that he recently revealed in this forum.
Some comments about my performance on the Discouraged Ones album.
Yes, I agree with the fact that it isn´t the best bassplaying captured on a record, but in my point of view there were circumstances around this event that more than in one way effected the result.
I. I got to know with a very short notice that they wanted me to play on the album ( at this time I was not a full member of the band) We had one session at Anders place were we went through some of the songs that ended up on "Discouraged Ones", not all of them though.Then I got a demo tape with the songs that we had gone trough recorded with a drummachine and a very basic guitar to rehearse with. We never rehearsed the songs as a whole band. I actually had no clue whatsoever what the songs would sound like in the end.So I never got the chance to become one with the them from the beginning.
II. The experience in Sunlight studios was just reprehensible(July 1997). This was the 2nd time I was in a professional studio to record, so I was a little bit nervous when I got there.There was absolutely no atmosphere in there and I couldn´t sense any band feeling at all.I was never happy with the bass sound.There wasn´t any real depth and body to it (something that usually is the case when you line the bass instead of using a real amp)I had to play with a pick to get a more clean sound.I had never played bass seriously with a pick before so it was nearly impossible for me to get the right flow in there.I said to Anders afterwards that I honestly didn´t feel good about the result but he said that it was just fine.
These are the songs that actually were played by me on Discouraged Ones:
Stalemate, Relention, Cold Ways, Last Resort, Nerve and Distrust
Anders played on these:
Deadhouse/ A song I never had the time to fully learn. Instrumental/ I didn´t know that this was a real song until Anders said that he would play on it. And finally I Break/ I had some problems with getting the breaks right on this one. Feeling alot of pressure on me as precious time was running I just said to Anders that he should do it.
Jonas played on these songs:
Gone/ This WAS HIS SONG so he played on it, period and Saw you drown/ Same thing here as with I Break I couldn´t get it right from the start so not to waste to much time Jonas played on it.
I don´t remeber if it was Anders or Jonas that played the bass on Quiet World from "Saw You Drown" ep/ I didn´t know of this songs existence until I got into the studio.
All the songs on both S.Y.D. ep (except Scarlet Heavens) and D.O. were recorded at the same time.
One thing is strange though, looking back with all the facts in hand now.Anders and Jonas never ever uttered a word to me about my lack of flow and that I had no sense for the rythm when we started to rehearse the D.O. songs for a possible tour that never happened. So very fuckin neat of them.
I could say alot more about these things and events and reveal some secrets as well. But I won`t do that, cause my hands aint dirty and I would like to keep them clean.Enough said.
To the person that is called Dreadfallen on this forum: I have never been to Finland so you must mistake me for someone else.
To the person here that was unsure if I´m still making music or not: The answer is yes I do, I occassionaly appears under the monickers of 141, Like 10 Thousand Dead Whores and Bizarrpåse Incarnated But I don´t think that any of you here would be intrested to hear it, cause none of them is whatsoever related to metal. It´s purly Postmortem Industrial, Devastating Noise and Perverted tape loops and cut ups.
Once Discouraged,
Mikael Oretoft
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