Playing 3 notes with good intonation vibrato and articulation overall is A LOT harder than shred. Everybody can shred, you can see in youtube that. You can also see how everyone fails at doing proper bends and vibrato. I defy Annihilat0r to post a video of him playing any opeth solo and playing it WELL as mike does.
Mike for the Shredder award?
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Nasty-Fire
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The challenge is settled.
My suggestion : give up, it will be worse otherwise.
VVV Pay me a beer instead.
My suggestion : give up, it will be worse otherwise.
VVV Pay me a beer instead.
HemeHaci
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May I treat you a beer?
P.S. Funny thing is, I don't know any DragonForce song name. Just watched their solos, so I was not comparing your musicianship in fact.
What I love about Mike's solos is that they are generally a bit easier to play. Most of my other favourite bands/musicians have solos just beyond my capabilities, but generally, Opeth is right at my level! For this I am most thankful!
However, while I can 'play' most of the solos, I would never claim to be able to express exactly what is going on in the music because I didn't write it. I'll never know what was going through Mike's head when he was composing so I'll never really know exactly what he was trying to achieve. I like to think I get pretty close though..
As an aside, Mike- I think you are being a little harsh about shredders. There are some more tasteful players out there. Try Guthrie Govan for example. Not only is he exceptionally skilled but he has a flair for maintaining fantastic tone, variety and emotion in his playing even at high speed.
My personnal king of the solo though has to be Richard Thompson. Incredible acoustic and electric playing and always a unique take every time he plays a solo. I've heard him live several times and he never plays the same solo twice. I've always thought an RT-Akerfeldt project would be awesome (hint hint)...
However, while I can 'play' most of the solos, I would never claim to be able to express exactly what is going on in the music because I didn't write it. I'll never know what was going through Mike's head when he was composing so I'll never really know exactly what he was trying to achieve. I like to think I get pretty close though..
As an aside, Mike- I think you are being a little harsh about shredders. There are some more tasteful players out there. Try Guthrie Govan for example. Not only is he exceptionally skilled but he has a flair for maintaining fantastic tone, variety and emotion in his playing even at high speed.
My personnal king of the solo though has to be Richard Thompson. Incredible acoustic and electric playing and always a unique take every time he plays a solo. I've heard him live several times and he never plays the same solo twice. I've always thought an RT-Akerfeldt project would be awesome (hint hint)...
biggsy
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Weird, I'm listening to that exact song as I'm reading along...
Music is just one of those things with so many intangible elements, it's ludicrous to claim that just by knowing the techniques and technicalities of a track or solo, you'll be able to reproduce exactly the piece recorded or played by the original artist. Even if that original artist isn't as talented or skilled as you, there's always some slight stylistic changes or tendencies that will be just too faint and subtle to recreate. I see what Annhilator is getting at: in a perfect world, it is technically possible. But in reality, there's too many uncontrolled elements.
gumtree
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I find that 'shredding' as what it is, bores the hell out of me sometimes, and I'm a guitarist of 10 years. I've never been so bored watching 2 guitarist try to out-do each other's shred on stage. When I saw Arch Enemy do it once, that was awesome, but when you see 2 guys constantly going at it for 10 mins, it makes me wish I has my MP3 player with me so I could listen to some real music.
I can see that most of you do realize that Mike isn't a 'shredder', so how is it that he's been nominated for the award?
I can see that most of you do realize that Mike isn't a 'shredder', so how is it that he's been nominated for the award?
I just noticed that all the other options on that poll have 2 guitarists, whereas Mike is all alone, is he just that good that he outclasses them by himself?
(I am still assuming that when they say 'shredder' they don't actually mean shredder in the the technical sense, as I said earlier they are probably just using it to sound 'cooler' than just saying guitarist)
(I am still assuming that when they say 'shredder' they don't actually mean shredder in the the technical sense, as I said earlier they are probably just using it to sound 'cooler' than just saying guitarist)
If the 100% accurate tabs thing was correct we could all just listen to Guitar Pro play the songs for us and it would sound exactly the same as the original piece. There a million things that go into defining the sound of an instrument, as Mike touched on, beyond what is written on the sheet. Those parts are ~95% of what actually playing an instrument is about, and it's the whole reason I keep doing it night after night. You can always improve, even if you don't constantly up the notes per second.
And no, if you can play fast you are not automatically able to play the same stuff a slower player does, those are quite different schools of playing.
And no, if you can play fast you are not automatically able to play the same stuff a slower player does, those are quite different schools of playing.
Annihilat0r
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Technically I can't "prove" that I've been playing for only two years (who can), but I do have a very good friend who is a regular member of this forum, and he knows that I have been playing only since 2007. That's about as much as someone can do to "prove" such a thing. And let me tell you something, the time I started, I was so ignorant on music that I didn't know what a "chord" meant. You heard me correct.
Here are a few Youtube videos OF ME PLAYING WHEN I HAD BEEN PLAYING FOR ONLY ONE YEAR:
Deliverance
Funeral Portrait 1 (somewhere it goes offsync, because I couldn't hear the music in the background; plus it has some more mistakes like the overbending)
Funeral Portrait 2
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB9rRmGT0Q8&feature=related[/ame]
I don't claim to have exactly reproduced the solos in these videos, all in all they were all played in the same day IIRC, and without really rehearsing much and doing retakes.
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White_Wolf
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That first video may not be the easiest thing to do, but I know plenty of skilled guitarists who can do it.
Dragonforce is definitely skilled, but basically all they do is speed, and it all sounds the same. Inhuman rampage was basically the same song 8 times in a row. JP and Michael Romeo are a different type of speed(the talented type and they should have been in that category.) Mikael may not be a shredder, (and I know this isn't the main topic of the thread) but he is definitely more talented than Herman Ri, even if he isn't a shredder.
sotua
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Sweet jaysus, that sucked. I've been in garage/bar bands with better sweepers than that. No kidding, once it was a guy with a Petrucci fetish and the other one worships at the altar of Vai - both could do cleaner sweeps than that shit.
That guy must be made to watch something like this from Mr. PotatoHead:
or something like this (how to not suck live):
so he can weep and do us a favor and burn his guitar.
(and the tapping guy was so lame it isn't even worth discussing - I think I could pull that off with a little practice, and I play bass... I thoroughly suck at guitar
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opethpainter
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I got to be honest with you annhilator, you suck.
You got the notes right, but you didn't get the "attitude", the "feeling" and all that stuff.
Your pick attacks were weak, your slides were fast and snappy and not very emotive, your vibrato sucked and you were slightly out of tune. Just everything was wrong, dude.
You are not playing, you are just running through the solo. You know what I mean?
You got the notes right, but you didn't get the "attitude", the "feeling" and all that stuff.
Your pick attacks were weak, your slides were fast and snappy and not very emotive, your vibrato sucked and you were slightly out of tune. Just everything was wrong, dude.
You are not playing, you are just running through the solo. You know what I mean?
Nasty-Fire
Discursion
^ If he's been playing for only one year (on these videos) like he said, then that's not bad and you are probably a moron. Otherwise, yes. Everyone must start as a beginner.
Annihilat0r
TRINITY WATCH IN AMAZING!
oh yeah, you should do just that - make nonsensical criticizations when you realize a 1-year player is actually playing better than you do. "no attitude and feeling" - "weak" 'pick attacks' - "snappy and not very emotive" slides, "sucky" vibrato... yeah man, those were really definitive and exactly to the point! go play nothing else matters.
Reelo
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Yep, same here.
They should just rename all "Shredder" awards to "Petrucci" awards and make polls as to who comes closest to him.
Nasty-Fire
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^^Keep a little modesty. But you are right.
VVV Did he say that!? Oh wait.. nevermind all I said, you are stupidly crazy.
VVV Did he say that!? Oh wait.. nevermind all I said, you are stupidly crazy.
To rid you disease
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i could try putting this nicely but...
"I being a 2 year old player can play your solos as good as you do"
and then watching ure videos.
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id be so embarassed.
im not saying ure bad for the time youve been playing etc but shit man, u gotta be mighty stupid to compare yourself with mikael like that, no matter whatever reservations u might make.
"I being a 2 year old player can play your solos as good as you do"
and then watching ure videos.
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id be so embarassed.
im not saying ure bad for the time youve been playing etc but shit man, u gotta be mighty stupid to compare yourself with mikael like that, no matter whatever reservations u might make.
I just said that you didnt capture the "feeling" and all that stuff, the stuff that really matters.
If you really think that sounds good, slap yourself in the face. It doesn't
You said you could play it as well as mikael, and then i see that shit? what the fuck man?
My skill level is irrelevant as well.
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