monochromatic stains lyrics - discussion thread

rahvin

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after reading narcoloth's revelations directly from the author, i decided to take a long hard look to monochromatic stains lyrics. o_O
ok, after concluding i cannot possibly outstare a dt song, i just came up with this totally weird explanation. take a sit and a drink of choice.

now, to me everything revolves around the theme of duplicity, both physical and mental. as with the best dt lyrics, the song is full of cross-references and many-layered, so that the literal explanation is very simple and down-to-earth, but deeper meanings are always present and consistent with the overall view.

there was a crime and there is a trial. but all identities are constantly shifting and merging. the victim and the culprit are one and the same, everything might as well just take place in the mind of a single individual. and yet the fear and anguish lie precisely in said individual noticing the world outside does exist as soomething separate from him, something he might hurt and eventually destroy. or do you always only destroy something belonging to you?


there is this face in the still water
i can´t remember ever wearing


apart from the mythological reference to the tale of narcissus (the ego-maniac guy who stared too long at his own face in the water with the result of falling in the well and drowning), here we see the basic outline of the situation and the first "investigative" riddle - we're also the judge and jury - is the face in the water that of someone we murdered or merely our reflection? we do not remember, we have no clue as to what our identity is about.

like fingerprints on your heart
reading out the last lines of code
to the untrained eye a secret
i bled away the last of you


some faint trace of what we were - or someone else was - still remains inside, and it tries to reconstruct what happened, what made us us. however, it's not an easy task, because - and here the crime and its perpetrator seem to merge again - at first sight the alter ego or the victim have been totally erased from our memory.

sought trust in shapes of combined results
that trickles from a less than solid case
fought off attacks of resurfaced lust
burn the gracing grounds


passions and feelings seem to have played a major part in our acceptance/denial of what we were and what happened. here the trial setting seems to dominate the scene: to understand identities and roles (in a crime as in everyday life) we have to speculate over scientific matters (combined results) and avoid falling prey of whims that might misguide us. nothing much changes: in the end what's left is a slate washed clean of thought and memory.

what will give in first
the body or the lash
monochromatic stains
who will cave in first
the leader or the fake
monochromatic Stains


the refrain portrays the situation in mid-action: there are two opposite poles, truth/falseness, freedom/constraint, and something will eventually collapse leaving just one member of the duality. and like philosophers said, there is no knowledge without difference, no way of setting things apart. so the one-colour stain blotting our sight is actually everything and nothing, absolution and condemnation for whatever bloody murder we have committed.

this pile of ashes of a soul
informant pokes abound
these sickly little fingers
get away from me


there is no will whatsoever to face duality again, no desire to recover normal eyesight and come to terms with the situation in its mundane sequence of what was->is->will be. the finger(print)s are ignored and dismissed, the remains of the gracing grounds are full of hints we choose to just ignore.

tread not the path of least restraint
each piece of evidence a lie, a lie
the body, the face all items in place
i don´t remember a thing


perhaps the most revealing verse in the song, it denies everything at the very same moment it admits everything. letting go to uncontrolled feelings may result in having to face the consequences of the loss of one's own identity, the hurting of others and so on. the least restraint leads to facts that are true only in the eye of the beholder (projector, anyone?), but they won't prove coherent with what the outside world thinks, feels, is.
then the metaphor gets even deeper and more complicated: "the body" could refer to the body of crime or the author's own physical structure, and the face - that same face that we see in the water - is back at its place (on us? on someone else?), but still reality escapes us and we do not want to face it anyway.

a sacrifice made to the loss of a mind
folly a mans demise


again duality and singularity merge in a complex structure (lines of code?): the crime transfigured us so much we lost all we had and all we were, in the grip of madness and oblivion. but wasn't the crime committed in order to lose ourselves, as an act of liberation we performed treading the path of least restraint?

track now the stains that allow my fall
sickening, the sight of it all
never shall I claim my innocence
i just was not there


and in a disquieting attempt to make me think back to my years as a law student, here comes the responsability issue in all its grandeur. :D
while the first two lines indulge on pondering about the past and present (chaotic are the tracks before me / barren are the ones behind), stressing the importance of the monochromes in giving in to madness, the latter lines come up with a new topic altogether. with madness blinding our sight, how are we to be taken responsible of our crimes? our identity, everything that makes us us, the face we see in the mirror every day, the combined results of science... well, they simply were not there. in the end, i see the realisation that the absence of a second member to relate ourselves to kills our own existence on the spot, too. and, lo and behold, here we have the victim. and the murderer.

you're welcome to join in on solving this case. ;)

rahvin.
 
Quote from my discussion with Stanne about the lyrics:

"Murder is your description. It is in the hypnagog? state between sleep and awake that it takes place and it is mostly about handling guilt"

Sorry about the poor translation.
 
Thank you Rahvin for your insightful interpretation. I truly appreciate the effort and I must admit yours is a close call. Hopefully the video will clear things up a bit more but this is as close as it gets for now...

Thanks again for the time given to the rumblings of an old man...

Mikael
 
Actually i had a few "objections" while reading rahvin's interpretation, but how can one say anything after the old man's reply...? :confused: ;)


Siren (bows to the old man)
 
@rahve: good, good kid :tickled:
of course i thought it was about relationships, especially the body/lash part - something about being victimized by someone, and then killing them in a moment of alienation. i won't even try to match since these are tough days for me, offering me a good excuse to avoid looking silly :rolleyes:

hyena (bubububu energy intimidates authority as planned)
 
@old man: you're welcome. in fact it's up to me to thank you for all this food for thought. :) of course similar attempts will follow concerning the other songs, so if you have a hideout in the woods away from the reaches of technology i guess it might be a wise time to use it. :D

@siren: mine was just close, all objections welcome. ;)

@hyena: chicken. :p

@red_beef: fun? fun? i spent almost an hour concocting that lengthy theory, you... you... you homosexual gothic nonsense, you! :mad: :p

rahvin.
 
@rahvin: of course! have you ever seen a bold hyena? we're all cowardly animals, lurking in the shadows anxiously waiting for some dead homosexual gothic nonsense to devour. :)

hyena (there will be sneezing no more, in a while)
 
Wow. Can't say anything but :worship:

My own interpretation was somewhat on the same tracks, though several laps behind, and now I feel like I shouldn't even had started - Rahvin's interpretation is so much deeper and more coherent.

Well, I guess I'll spare my efforts to the next song...

-Villain (who feels like a snail right now - what the hell is wrong with this connection?!?)
 
@villain: me, i'd be interested in reading your views about it. i didn't want to scare anybody away with my long post... :eek:

rahvin. (hungover and determined to say it on every thread)
 
Just wandered to this board…
Im not sure if im right, im even sure im wrong, but I just thought I should share my thoughts with you… thanx to rhavin for sharing lyrics – I couldn’t find it on the web elsewhere

Imho the situation described is about a guy who tries to break apart with his gf, which is using him.

"there is this face in the still water
i can't remember ever wearing"
(here is reflection of my face
which I have never seen before)
the guy is determined to break now – the thing he never did before.

"like fingerprints on your heart
reading out the last lines of code
to the untrained eye a secret
i bled away the last of you"
(like fingerprints, I read in your heart
the last things that you were concealing
and after that I could bleed away the last remains of you)
the guy finally understood that he was being used and broke apart with her.

"sought trust in shapes of combined results
that trickles from a less than solid case"
(I sought trust in time we spent together,
but this trust was given to me in tiny amounts)
there is no trust – the guy is being used.

"fought off attacks of resurfaced lust
burn the gracing grounds"
(I cast off my lust, which reappeared,
without mercy)
after he broke apart, the lust reappeared, but he burned it.

"what will give in first
the body or the lash
monochromatic stains
who will cave in first
the leader or the fake
monochromatic Stains"
(what is going to fall first – yourself or the thing that tries to destroy you?
there will be only one)
leader is the will of the guy, fake is his inability to deal with the situation
this is the struggle of willpower, either you forget her, or you give in.

"this pile of ashes of a soul
informant pokes abound
these sickly little fingers
get away from me"
(your soul is burned to ashes
get away from me)
the guy realises that the girl's soul is nothing.

"tread not the path of least restraint
each piece of evidence a lie, a lie
the body, the face all items in place
i don´t remember a thing"
(I choose a path which is harder, but it is better for me
everything that she said was a lie
I shall not cut my veins,
just everything that happened has to be forgotten)
the moral of this story is to forget the girl in such a case,
but it is not the path of least restraint,
you have to realise, that all the things you shared with her,
all the things she told you was a lie and forget her as if nothing happened.

"a sacrifice made to the loss of a mind
folly a mans demise"
(a sacrifice is made to forget it all
I made a folly and it was my fall)
it was very hard to forget, but he did it
it was his folly that he couldn't see her true entity from the very beginning,
and it was the reason of his fall

"track now the stains that allow my fall
sickening, the sight of it all
never shall I claim my innocence
i just was not there"
(I track now the path of my fall
and the sight of it sickens me
it was my fault I couldn't see where the path led from the very beginning
but I forgot it all)

Monochromatic stains mean the bloodstains.
While walking back and tracking the path of his fall
which is marked by blood (blood means suffering and heart wounds)
the guy wants this to never happen again,
and the remedy for his wounds now is forgetting about her.

hehe this is weird, and not so philosophical as rhavin's review of the song... just an opinion :)
 
@deviant mind: thanks for sharing! this was interesting, although imo a bit deterministic/forced in places... welcome to this board. hope you'll like less thought-intense threads too. :) *points at the bubububu thread*.
oh, and thou shalt not speak "rhavin", but "rahvin". :)

rahvin.
 
rahvin, how long is it since we last were hung over? sure a long time for me. i'm not forfeiting the normal headaches, but at least i don't feel like i want to throw up or have difficulties breathing.

aside from this, what you wanted to say was "thought-intensive": and thou shalt not speak "pain in the ass" although you sure now think i am :lol:

hyena