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executioner: slaughter fest was sweet, i skipped the opening core bands, because i loathe that shit.
unavoidable: beer in your hand the whole set FTW
unavoidable: beer in your hand the whole set FTW
I couldn't agree more! I rarely go to shows anymore and this is exactly why. That, and shitty sound engineers (from the local scene) that think louder automatically means better.:zombie:
Whoa. All this talk about "fuckin hit people in the throat for being ignorant" and "threw a bottle of water straight on his head" really makes me wonder if it's the pit culture at where you guys come from or just personal differences. I've never, ever had a problem with pits. If I want to really observe and listen to the gig, I stay a bit more behind in the crowd, having my beer in peace with the other rock police. If I want to mosh, I get to the front frow, or as close as possible. If it's more like a go-by-the-feeling kind of gig and I feel like it, I jump in the pit.
As I said, I really don't know what moshpits are about where you come from, but around here it's all about having fun. No one intends to punch anyone in the face, and if you get hit by an elbow/knee/head/whatever and go down, someone is bound to grab you back up and if needed escort to a more peaceful area. And no-one has a problem with the scene kids doing their windmills. If it's a metal gig they won't be doing them long anyway since the majority of the crowd is just running around, pushing each other.
Geez. Chill out.
Well you guys can all take turns one by one at calling me a faggot, because I'll be the first to admit that I am a fan of a few metal-core acts. My favorite of them all being unearth. So I just got back from one of their shows and the tension in the pit made it difficult to enjoy by neither dancer nor mosher. The problem is when the "hardcore" parts come everybody starts doing their dancing, and all the moshers get in there and push them around because we dont want this in our pit and thus all the dancers get butthurt that you ruined their dance and try to pick fights. Then when the "metal" parts come the circle pits ensue and the dancers get bumrushed by everybody. One of them was so frustrated that I pushed him a circle pit that he grabbed me by the neck and unsuccessfully tried to throw me me to the floor.... hes lucky i dont have ethics adjacent to his because i just let this go. From my perspective (a mosher) I feel that moshpits have a certain code of ethics and nobody should really be out to actually hurt somebody else. On the other hand these so called dancers have no concept of ethics inside of a moshpit and couldnt care less if one of their elbows knocks somebody in the head and knocks them out, which I've seen countless times. I am of the personal opinion that these "dancers" are faggots of the highest caliber and should walk off a cliff but i wanted to hear your guys opinion also. Do you think there should be some sort of harmony in the pits of bands such as unearth where people can dance or mosh in peace or do you think there should only be moshing and anyone who tries to dance is promptly curb stomped? I'm assuming noone in here is actually a hardcore dancer but if any of you are and I offended you.... good!
This little Dance pit, creates a huge fucking hole right in front of the stage causing everyone to move back or to the side. Its a distraction from watching the band and at the same time the band is now playing to 20 people instead of 100.
there's always worlds colliding at metal shows that have hardcore or metalcore bands also on the bill. summer slaughter this year was a good example. the (typically) larger metal dudes circling around each other and pushing off of each other with arms folded directly in front of them. then you have the one guy who intentionally bumps noticeably harder into another guy in the pit, who must've warranted the attention by elbowing him as he rounded the edge of the pit to come back in.
the "dancing" as it's so inaptly named used to be a lot worse around my parts. to me it isn't so much enjoying yourself and the music, it's an alpha male thing. "LOOK AT ME AND WHAT I'M DOING BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T YOU'LL GET HIT" and then when they do hit the wrong someone who gets pissed and in their face, they get offended as though they're just "expressing" themselves and their enjoyment of the music. this typically acts out as the punchkicker getting into the face of whomever questioned their movements. easy to get violent because nobody likes taking shit when there is no excuse not to beat the face of the shit giver. very often everyone else around will jump in too, just to punch random backs of head.
Have to disagree quite heavily here. IMO the best place to really observe a gig is by the FOH spot anyway. You can often see the most there and the sound is usually at it's best there. And what comes to the band, I have never seen a band get irritated by a pit. Quite the opposite, in my experience it's usually the band that provokes the pit in the first place. And I'm not talking purely about hardcore (which I really don't consider music like Unearth belongs to) gigs, since I haven't been to too many of them, but rather metal gigs (Anthrax, Lamb of God to name some). And when it's me on the stage, I definitely enjoy seeing a pit. To me that means the crowd is really getting into it. I'd rather play to 20 dudes going apeshit than 100 people standing still with their arms crossed.