NEVERMORE - This Godless Endeavor Dominates Worldwide Soundchecks
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Will Bozarth
Everlasting Godstopper
then stop reading the thread 
if you didnt care you wouldnt click it or readya nything because it would always be your opinion and nobody else's
if you didnt care you wouldnt click it or readya nything because it would always be your opinion and nobody else's
buzz21
Medicated
the phish
Jesus of the board
awsome... great to hear from the guy who recorded fucking THE HOLOCAUST OF THOUGHT. sweet jesus man... just.. how is it possible to play like that?
Loner
In Despise
rebirth said:
He's done tons of stuff, most notably played on Death's Spiritual Healing and several Testament albums.
the_drip
Martriden K
Seasons_Of_Destruction
I'm a dad now.
Hmm. James Murphy was in Obituary, Death, Cancer and others, but I am sure I you were being sarcastic, but that's for just in case.. Great guitarist. But indeed that was well said, yep.
Ermz
¯\(°_o)/¯
Oh shit... James is about... whatever you do, don't start talking about PCs! 
In all seriousness, that was a good post. I think in general when people get so erratically angry and lash out at elements like the production, which in all honesty there is nothing wrong with, I think it shows a deal of inexperience in identifying production characteristics. This happens on the Opeth forum all the time.
I can deal with people preffering Niel's production style, but I can't deal with them subsequently saying Andy's is inferior. It's not. It's 2005 and his style is what sells. TGE is ideally what a metal album should sound like today.
In all seriousness, that was a good post. I think in general when people get so erratically angry and lash out at elements like the production, which in all honesty there is nothing wrong with, I think it shows a deal of inexperience in identifying production characteristics. This happens on the Opeth forum all the time.
I can deal with people preffering Niel's production style, but I can't deal with them subsequently saying Andy's is inferior. It's not. It's 2005 and his style is what sells. TGE is ideally what a metal album should sound like today.
zmetallica
Member
well said james. thats probably the best/most informed post i've seen in a while in response to some negative uninformed remark.
my opinion/rant on samples and some extra bs:
samples are only good if the person who implements them knows what they are doing. i just had a discussion about this with a local band. who ever did their record didn't know what to do properly since the end result sounded more machine than human.
i personally don't like working with samples for recordings because i feel it takes away from the original take. the only time i would use a sample in a recording is if i took the sample myself from a real kit most likely the same one from the recording. it could beef up the sound of a drum kit and make it sound more full and powerful (much like doubling a guitar would), but i prefer to stick to a natural recording as much as possible. meaning i dont' like to loop guitar riffs, drum machines, midis, synths, etc. when i get a good set up, i'd like to have the 'rough'/live track recording to be the majority of what the listener hears. none of this 100 layers of vocals/harmonies or anything else thats not really humanly possible live.
in the end, if a band goes on tour and can't deliver the awesomeness that was heard on the CD, i'm immediately disappointed. of course some things i understand, but come on, these bands (really any touring band) are professionals, they should quit using protools samples live lol. but anyway, i love nevermore because they stay true to the limitations of their band.
i'm sure they have the option to add a lot more to the recordings, but they don't and keep it simple. sure there are certain points where there are 3 guitars heard, but eh certain things will be lost live and it doesn't matter as much when its not holding the song together. (think river dragon solo live) they take out the rhythm part, cause its already being done by the bass. so its 'okay'.
ok i really got side tracked there, so if you are still reading, i am sorry
my opinion/rant on samples and some extra bs:
samples are only good if the person who implements them knows what they are doing. i just had a discussion about this with a local band. who ever did their record didn't know what to do properly since the end result sounded more machine than human.
i personally don't like working with samples for recordings because i feel it takes away from the original take. the only time i would use a sample in a recording is if i took the sample myself from a real kit most likely the same one from the recording. it could beef up the sound of a drum kit and make it sound more full and powerful (much like doubling a guitar would), but i prefer to stick to a natural recording as much as possible. meaning i dont' like to loop guitar riffs, drum machines, midis, synths, etc. when i get a good set up, i'd like to have the 'rough'/live track recording to be the majority of what the listener hears. none of this 100 layers of vocals/harmonies or anything else thats not really humanly possible live.
in the end, if a band goes on tour and can't deliver the awesomeness that was heard on the CD, i'm immediately disappointed. of course some things i understand, but come on, these bands (really any touring band) are professionals, they should quit using protools samples live lol. but anyway, i love nevermore because they stay true to the limitations of their band.
i'm sure they have the option to add a lot more to the recordings, but they don't and keep it simple. sure there are certain points where there are 3 guitars heard, but eh certain things will be lost live and it doesn't matter as much when its not holding the song together. (think river dragon solo live) they take out the rhythm part, cause its already being done by the bass. so its 'okay'.
ok i really got side tracked there, so if you are still reading, i am sorry
Ermz
¯\(°_o)/¯
I think it's interesting that you should bring that up. I think compromising one's own art as a producer simply so that the band can seem good in comparison, in a live environment is very admirable. I'd personally never do that. I'm all about studio albums, studio sounds... things that can't be done live unless you have a supercomputer there to process all the ambient tracks etc.
When you deal with a band like Nevermore, I think it's cool to keep the recordings relatively simple, because the music is, and consequently the band will sound all the better for it when they play live and manage to play all the parts featured on the CD.
When it comes to producing my own music, I really don't care whether it can be done live or not. I don't want to compromise on the artistic process just so I can pull the material off with a standard metal line-up. Those are issues to be sorted out later, if at all.
When you deal with a band like Nevermore, I think it's cool to keep the recordings relatively simple, because the music is, and consequently the band will sound all the better for it when they play live and manage to play all the parts featured on the CD.
When it comes to producing my own music, I really don't care whether it can be done live or not. I don't want to compromise on the artistic process just so I can pull the material off with a standard metal line-up. Those are issues to be sorted out later, if at all.
PratlPoet
Neon Black Assassin
Agalloch said:
This Nevermore is going to be the CD of the year!! Hands-fucking-down!
You don't like the production...well, yes, I can see it non-comparable to, say, a Mayhem CD or an old Venom (who I love, don't get me wrong), but you are obviously a misguided youth not at all undersdtanding of "true" metal and what is good and what's not. This CD will finally show the rest of the world what Seattle has to offer...Nevermore are now kings of US Metal, and that's a fact!
Or...you're just a dink who stirs up shit to compensate for your lil pee pee.
I'm for the latter.
7/26...can't wait!!!
PratlPoet
Neon Black Assassin
rebirth said:
In the metal world that's like saying "Who's Chuck Schuldiner"?
He's one of the remaining few with integrity and one hell of a long list of amazing credits...Death & Obituary among them!
TheDreamingMind
Too many mind
TheDreamingMind
Too many mind
zmetallica
Member
well i didn't know who james murphy was either.
but he certainly knows his shit, and i respect that.
i don't give anyone any credit for who they've worked with or what they've done. unless of course they did all the work for it and what they did was great, in that case i give them props. but most of the time people have lots of great artists names under their belt, but did they do them a great job? no. half the time i hear about people recording band's demos that become huge. or the guy didn't know what he was doing and some how put some magic on the record and it sounded awesome. so he sticks to that set up.
In this case, James Murphy knows his shit as does Andy Sneap. I respect that they both come on the forums to give their two cents about a topic. or give fans advise. thats a rare thing.
so mad props to you guys for being so cool.
but he certainly knows his shit, and i respect that.
i don't give anyone any credit for who they've worked with or what they've done. unless of course they did all the work for it and what they did was great, in that case i give them props. but most of the time people have lots of great artists names under their belt, but did they do them a great job? no. half the time i hear about people recording band's demos that become huge. or the guy didn't know what he was doing and some how put some magic on the record and it sounded awesome. so he sticks to that set up.
In this case, James Murphy knows his shit as does Andy Sneap. I respect that they both come on the forums to give their two cents about a topic. or give fans advise. thats a rare thing.
so mad props to you guys for being so cool.
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