Iridium and Her Silent Language are the only two songs I find passable from WATV. I have a pretty strong dislike for that album, although I find the title to be very apt.
New album Foregone out February 2023
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Iridium and Her Silent Language are the only two songs I find passable from WATV. I have a pretty strong dislike for that album, although I find the title to be very apt.
a shame for the lad that JesterHead isn't still around, he'd be a prime candidate for moderator duties.
The Grayfox
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Maybe he can just restart it with the band's blessing. I'm sure Anders loves a good fan boy spewing nonsense.
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I respect everyone opinion but it really is beyond me how someone can be so closed to dialogue regarding a matter that is obviously subjective.
Krofius' defection to the dark side is probably still something that cuts Anders deep to this day
if Krofi-kun can escape the cult, theoretically anyone can. Might be why JesterHead fell apart.No, Krofius is still Krofius as far as I know. Gums is a legit old school poster from the early 2000s.
The Grayfox
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Alright, everyone go change their names and avatars and we'll play a game where we guess who the fuck everyone is.
PSA to all the MDM fans still here.
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This post claims new Kalmah is dropping soon!!!!!!!
New label announcement:
https://www.rankakustannus.fi/kalmah-joins-ranka/
First song, “Haunted By Guilt” dropping February 24
https://www.kalmah.com/kalmah-joins-ranka/
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Basically agree, but I think they have it in them to make a strong comeback. They Will Return is my favorite from them. Love that album. Solo after solo, it’s ridiculous.
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Moment for me is a great album... If I'm in the mood for it. If not, I find it boring. Hard to explain really. Has some songs I really like, but it's also a little boring. Great artwork though. For me nothing will touch Character and Atoma, to me they are head and shoulders above the rest of the DT discography. Honourable mention to Damage Done though. I like all their albums Projector onwards to different degrees, and The Gallery has it's moments too.
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The Gallery, The Mind’s I & Character are my favorite.
I agree about what you said regarding Moment. The thing is, according to me, it applies to Atoma too.
I agree about what you said regarding Moment. The thing is, according to me, it applies to Atoma too.
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I've also been messing around this weekend trying to learn some of the fun bits on the new album. Ignore me badly trying to work out the rhythm guitar behind Chris's solo because I'm shit, but Meet Your Maker has some really fun riffs to play in it, the verse is really groovy If you can get it tight, I seem to have (for the most part) figured out the chorus by ear, and the intro/outro is just pure chugging. My type of guitar riffs haha
I know that this is subjective but, the same way that modern IF is not for me, I don't see how their previous career is for someone with that way of thinking because the differences are just to big.
Not necessarily. I got into the band around the time of R2R/STYE. I remember listening to a lot of those two records and they definitely served as a gateway into death metal and other music with harsh vocals for me. Then I slowly started going back into the earlier stuff and definitely picked and chose songs, some were too much, some were way better than R2R but gradually with time I developed a sense of what I liked and what I didn't, as well as criteria for why I held those opinions.
Reddit is just funny. I guess there are probably some legitimate opinions there, a lot of people however are very directly disingenuous for karma. I'm sure label has some interns doing indirect social media PR too since it's such a large part of things nowadays. The closest to reality reddit gets is when you sort comments by controversial, and even then it's heavily curated.
As far as "best album ever", good luck getting into an argument with anyone sane and trying to convince them that any 16 bars of music off Foregone Siren Battles is better than the interlude-solo section of Zombie Inc.
What I meant is... Taste is subjective, of course. But, if someone is into growling Autofriden Popstar, if that's what they really like and appreciate, even if that person still likes their old works, they're not, for certain, the kind of music that person likes the most. (It's too soon and my mind is still dense, so it's hard trying to explain this).
Jester Slave
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Reddit is just an other side of the same dice this board is on. Reddit, by nature is an echo-chamber, so you don't even need plants to sway the discussions, especially not on a subreddit with only 3000 members. It's understandable that such a minor userbase would mostly consist of people who likes the band, and not of people filled with rage and nostalgia. But reddit is not at its worst when we observe such a happy, though somewhat delusional subreddit; no, the worst is when it is run by the most bitter people on earth. Reading sth like "Foregone is the best IF record" makes you roll your eyes and indeed think of karmawhorers, but seeing people complain and circlejerk about the same shit for years is so much worse. Just check out any political subreddit: those people are dying for bad news.
Anyway, you guys can be just as melodramatic as that poster you quoted. You bitch about Anders' cleans, how is he going to recreate them live and how THIS is the nail in the coffin. He is going to recreate them the same way he did Battles, Burn, Call My Name, Stay With me, All The Pain or Follow Me: he won't. Alternatively, he is going to recreate them the same way he did with Vacuum: he won't. I'm sure we could go even further back to find this same exact pattern.
"b-b-b-b-b-but they said no to twin guitars, yet they do this?????" is reddit argument 101. An average redditor knows no nuance, everything is black and white. If you are caught with an inconsistenciy or a white lie by a redditor, then you are done. Judged, juried, executed. All right, it was possibly an excuse. So what? You're gonna circlejerk yourself for this great find? You're gonna mention it every time IF does some studio magic which is hard or impossible to translate live? Not to mention that they've been playing a bunch of older songs for a while now, so I don't even get the bitching.
I've checked out a Fear is the Weakness performance on youtube, he can't sing those cleans either, and SOAPF is filled with choruses like that. We know he can't sing SC because that acoustic radio performance was terrible. During ASOP he could barely sing on the record to begin with, but good luck finding clips of Anders ever reproducing the cleans on Crawl Through Knives, Leeches or Vacuum. Yes, the Battles era cleans are faker, but at the end of the day I am not sure why would you be so upset about the difference, when he can't do any of these to begin with. At least he worked on his growls, so even if many of the choruses has been stuck at Battles' level, he can do much more interesting verses, bridges, plus do more justice to some older songs.
To me, Foregone is more interesting musically, than ITM. ITM has some of the worst songs in the entire catalogue of the band with House, In This Life and We Will Remember, while on Foregone the worst moments (bonus track not included) are Bleeding Out and Foregone pt. 2, songs which have some pretty cool ideas, but in the end they feel like they have been haphazardly thrown together. ITM also has 3 identical songs, and instead of discarding the 2 worse ones, they just threw them all on the record. Follow Me is not bad, but All The Pain is Better, while Stay With Me is the ultimate form of that track. Sure, if you like those songs then you are in for a treat, but by that logic if you like catchy choruses then Pure Light, In the Dark and Cynosure are treats for you - and at least those songs have some interesting instrumentation going for them aside from the poppy chorus, while that ITM trio is pretty minimalistic.
I understand why someone would prefer ITM over Foregone, but stop pretending Foregone is a step back, when at worst it is a step sideways.
Anyway, you guys can be just as melodramatic as that poster you quoted. You bitch about Anders' cleans, how is he going to recreate them live and how THIS is the nail in the coffin. He is going to recreate them the same way he did Battles, Burn, Call My Name, Stay With me, All The Pain or Follow Me: he won't. Alternatively, he is going to recreate them the same way he did with Vacuum: he won't. I'm sure we could go even further back to find this same exact pattern.
"b-b-b-b-b-but they said no to twin guitars, yet they do this?????" is reddit argument 101. An average redditor knows no nuance, everything is black and white. If you are caught with an inconsistenciy or a white lie by a redditor, then you are done. Judged, juried, executed. All right, it was possibly an excuse. So what? You're gonna circlejerk yourself for this great find? You're gonna mention it every time IF does some studio magic which is hard or impossible to translate live? Not to mention that they've been playing a bunch of older songs for a while now, so I don't even get the bitching.
I've checked out a Fear is the Weakness performance on youtube, he can't sing those cleans either, and SOAPF is filled with choruses like that. We know he can't sing SC because that acoustic radio performance was terrible. During ASOP he could barely sing on the record to begin with, but good luck finding clips of Anders ever reproducing the cleans on Crawl Through Knives, Leeches or Vacuum. Yes, the Battles era cleans are faker, but at the end of the day I am not sure why would you be so upset about the difference, when he can't do any of these to begin with. At least he worked on his growls, so even if many of the choruses has been stuck at Battles' level, he can do much more interesting verses, bridges, plus do more justice to some older songs.
To me, Foregone is more interesting musically, than ITM. ITM has some of the worst songs in the entire catalogue of the band with House, In This Life and We Will Remember, while on Foregone the worst moments (bonus track not included) are Bleeding Out and Foregone pt. 2, songs which have some pretty cool ideas, but in the end they feel like they have been haphazardly thrown together. ITM also has 3 identical songs, and instead of discarding the 2 worse ones, they just threw them all on the record. Follow Me is not bad, but All The Pain is Better, while Stay With Me is the ultimate form of that track. Sure, if you like those songs then you are in for a treat, but by that logic if you like catchy choruses then Pure Light, In the Dark and Cynosure are treats for you - and at least those songs have some interesting instrumentation going for them aside from the poppy chorus, while that ITM trio is pretty minimalistic.
I understand why someone would prefer ITM over Foregone, but stop pretending Foregone is a step back, when at worst it is a step sideways.
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