Virgil.
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Still blows my mind that people openly think it's cool to steal shit.
Seriously.
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Seriously.
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ratsapprentice
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You're not living on the income from your music though are you?
I'm not against downloading music, but fuck people who don't intend/care to pay for music they enjoy.
I'm not against downloading music, but fuck people who don't intend/care to pay for music they enjoy.
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You're right.
At least I'm not living off of my music yet.
But I just see a problem with record labels nowadays, period.
Due to ADVANCING TECHNOLOGY, you just can not help how easy it is to pirate music.
Would you rather...
A. waste 10 bucks, time you could have used doing some productive, risk getting in an accident, etc.
B. Click download.
See my point?
How about instead of living in the past, we accept technology's advances and become independent artists, freely distributing our music and SELLING our merch, concert tickets, etc?
(This way instead of the label making most of the profit, your band gets 100%. Catch my drift? ;])
At least I'm not living off of my music yet.
But I just see a problem with record labels nowadays, period.
Due to ADVANCING TECHNOLOGY, you just can not help how easy it is to pirate music.
Would you rather...
A. waste 10 bucks, time you could have used doing some productive, risk getting in an accident, etc.
B. Click download.
See my point?
How about instead of living in the past, we accept technology's advances and become independent artists, freely distributing our music and SELLING our merch, concert tickets, etc?
(This way instead of the label making most of the profit, your band gets 100%. Catch my drift? ;])
ratsapprentice
God can gtfo
Loren Littlejohn
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Ah this should be interesting. The ol record labels are evil so it's cool to steal arguement.
How about instead of defending your actions, just accept your a piece of shit and admit your a fucking thief. It's not as abrasive an arguement.
How about instead of defending your actions, just accept your a piece of shit and admit your a fucking thief. It's not as abrasive an arguement.
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Never said they are evil.
And I never said it's cool to steal.
I just promote free art, and accept technology as something that is making our lives more convenient. Perhaps too convenient.
Thanks for the insult.
Loren Littlejohn
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Welp AAL isn't giving thier record away for free so...
If a band wants to give thier music away then yay more power to them, but it should be thier decision not the fucktards that try to demand it by rippin or downloading it for free when it's up going to be up on itunes and amazon.
If a band wants to give thier music away then yay more power to them, but it should be thier decision not the fucktards that try to demand it by rippin or downloading it for free when it's up going to be up on itunes and amazon.
caneris
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This.
I support free music but the value of music, or any art really, should be decided by the artist.
I don't mind waiting a few weeks for an album if it means I'll actually be able to enjoy it. 128kbps no thanks
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Loren Littlejohn
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JeffTD
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Key word bolded, and I promise you that it'll never happen in your case. Your attitude towards music and life is skewed to hell and back, good luck making a living in the music industry while having literally zero clue about how it's run.
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Before I begin, I would like to announce that I have a lot of respect for most of the senior members of this forum, including you Jeff.
You see, I'm finding it hard to have a conversation without being straight up insulted.
My attitude toward music (art) and life is screwed to hell and back? Art has always been free. There was a SHORT moment in the timeframe of history when it was used to make money. We're advancing on an era where all art will be free again due to popular demand. 99% of all kids with thousands of songs on their iPod bought none of it, I promise.
"Making a living in the music industry"
This is a contradiction, as I had stated that I am, and will always be due to personal choice, an independent artist.
However, I am on this board to increase my skills in Music Production.
I will be making a living off of my recording studio.
And if I record a band, and they get signed, I will have already begun to make money in the "music industry." Right?
Isn't that how it works around here?
Because if I'm wrong, I'd like an intelligent explanation as to why, and not a barrage of insults.
ratsapprentice
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If you record a band and the label pays you.... where do you think that money came from? A money tree?
Virgil.
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Record labels aside, pretend you're an independent music artist trying to make a living. You spend thousands upon thousands on guitars, the right pickups, a good amp, cab, mics, cables, picks, strings, monitors, audio interface, a nice computer, upgraded ram, a decent DAW, cool plugins, maybe some external mixing boards or compressors, eq's etc., pedals, sound treatment,.....the list can go on and on. Add on top of that the time and energies it takes to self promote to even GET to a level of being able to tour--travel expenses, hiring a manager, hiring roadies, renting equipment, paying the venus, paying promoters, etc. Add on top of that making your own merch like pressing your own CD's, making shirts, stickers, pins, patches, whatever. ALL OF THIS REVOLVES AROUND YOUR MUSIC.
With all of these expenses, why would I want to just hand out something FOR FREE that I spent hours upon hours crafting and writing, while utilizing ALL of this expensive gear and resources to do so to bring it to either your computer, cd player, or live in a concert format? Because, at the end of the day, if I'm trying to do this as a living, and if I'm not making my money back or breaking even at least, or making enough to support my family, how would it be possible (unless you're a spoiled rich kid who just doesn't give a fuck about how money really works) to keep doing what I love and writing music and going through all of these headaches for mere pennies returned for every dollar I spend. It doesn't make sense. Sure, even an independent artist might charge $10 for a CD when it only cost like $3 for the packaging and all the materials to print it, but that's $7 profit to motivate him/her/them to keep creating music and doing this for a living. It puts food on their (or their families) table. It pays off those credit cards they wracked up at guitar center or someplace else buying all this gear.
Ok, now say you are signed to a record label... you could have the mindset of "screw the labels download the music for free" mentality, but all this does will short live their life under that label. Not only do they look at concert attendance, but they also look at merch (if that's under their contract)..... and oh wait... they also look at ALBUM PURCHASES. If the band is selling merch independently, sure they are making some profit to cover at least travel expenses, but that's all low key and under the table... so all the record label sees is there is concert attendance, but no cd purchases being made, so where is the demand for the band? And if no one is supporting them and they are doing this 100% independently, how long do you think they can sustain themselves touring and being able to play shows in your home town that you can go to and enjoy seeing them? Probably not more than a gig or two at most.
You can't be so narrow-minded dude. The same goes to anyone else who thinks like you.
If you like an artist, support them in every way possible. Buy their cd's, merch and attend shows. I don't see why buying a CD for $10-15 is such a big deal, when most of the time people spend $20-60 on merch, and $20-60 on ticket prices. Hell, you even spend $10-30 at the movies if you buy tickets for a date or snacks and whatnot. It's entertainment. $10 to listen to a high quality version of music you enjoy..... I think that's worth it. Sure, you might get some duds, but that comes with the territory. I have thousands of CDs and vinyl, and have spent a ton of money over the last 25 years collecting them... but I wouldn't go back and change it one bit. They have, and continue to provide me with memorable listening experiences. And argue all you want, but listening to an actual vinyl pressing or CD on a high quality sound system is INFINITELY better than a 192kbps rip on an ipod any day. At that level of listening exposure it's much more than just listening to 1's and 0's organized on a hard drive.... it's actual sound and vibration, and has a different feel. Perhaps you will never understand unless you try to change.
egan.
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How are you defining commercialized? Bach drew a salary. The catholic church paid for Michelangelo's David. The ancient Greeks were commissioning works of art in 1500BC.
It's true that the model has changed from a primary commission to individual consumers but that started with the invention of the printing press. If anything, allowing individuals to pay a small amount rather than a single person/entity to pay a large amount has liberated art (hence the shift from organized religions artistic dominance in Western history).
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