New Nevermore Teaser

[kaomao]

you guys are not getting it, never thrown shit at Jeff.
One thing is saying his stuff is shit, one thing is "to me that lead doesn't fit" you know personal preference.
I think Jeff is really one of the best (in fact I showed that he can even shred on a piano how many can do it that way?), now I think it's just that his phrasing on leads has changed so much from what it was.
You noticed that nevermore is getting angrier and angrier with every record? and that's good to me, they got this incredible thrashy vibe, so I think this is reflecting the lead work.
I follow this band since the first record was out when they were nobody, I remember them supporting Iced Earth on a tiny club shitty club in the middle on nowhere here in italy, now it's the opposite: they play larger venues and the crowd is getting always bigger and it's good to see something like this from a band that always deliver great records.

 

[Lasse Lammert]

ynow I think it's just that his phrasing on leads has changed so much from what it was.

again, how can you say that when all you heard is ONE small snippet from the new album?

 

[kaomao]

how can you say that when all you heard is ONE short snippet?

Of course it's just one snippet, but I'm not talking about all the new record... Since Enemies the lead work has changed so much, and it's totally clear on the recent Zero order phase (ok that is a solo shreddy album).
This lead reflects his new direction.

 

[kaomao]

HEARD. i feel the same when i see people making comments about emil from daath. No one comes close.

Emil is just unique.
Loved the first demo with james, loved the first album, and on last one it just slays with the phrasing, he puts a lot scales on a solo with those chromatic passages that I love so much.
Pretty badass.

 

[Lasse Lammert]

Of course it's just one snippet, but I'm not talking about all the new record... Since Enemies the lead work has changed so much, and it's totally clear on the recent Zero order phase (ok that is a solo shreddy album).
This lead reflects his new direction.

well, the songs are different, if he'd play the same style as on DHIADW (most songs on there are much slower and simpler in their structure) it wouldn't really fit the new songs.
His leadwork, no matter how fast is always perfect for the song IMO, and if the songs are different/faster/angrier the playing has to be, too.

some might like the faster stuff better and some might like the slower stuff better (like you), but that really is just preference, both are still "perfect for the song" and still have the same feeling and emotion.
saying one has les emotion/feeling s just wrong, all you can say is that you liked some of the old stuff better, fair enough, but saying his playing isn't as good anymore is just unfair.

 

[kaomao]

Hey Lasse I said I like the fact they're getting angrier.

You noticed that nevermore is getting angrier and angrier with every record? and that's good to me, they got this incredible thrashy vibe, ...

It's just the new lead stuff I'm not really into, that's it.

 

[::XeS::]

To me in DHIADW, there is a fantastic balance of technique and feeling (for example "Inside 4 walls" and "The River Dragon Has Come")...probably a matter of taste, of course.
The point is that I remember better those particular solos than the ones on the last 2 records, because they are for sure way more difficult and complicated (but still awesome).
I feel the same about Petrucci...until Scened from a Memory he did awesome solos, with lot of feeling, etc...but after that album he started focus on speed, sweep and other stuff and I don't remember a single note from his solos. Different music of course (Nevermore still write awesome albums when Dream Theater write pure shit)..

Anyway I'm really excited about this new album and I hope there will be lot of fantastic guitar parts.

 

[::XeS::]

Jeff playing the new track at Musikmesse (2nd part of the 1st video and 2nd video)
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrpsYFj8Fdo&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBqs81RBjWk&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

 

[Andy Sneap]

you seem to forget, and its isnt just this thread, that when/if you come on here with some critical statement you are also talking about a project that I'VE put months of hard work into. So many times I have to bite my tongue because someone will say something and have no idea about the background, effort and time put into what they are effectively dispelling, talking like some expert from behind a computer screen from buttfuck nowhere aged 15. How you can pass comment about one teaser solo I have no idea, you could quite easily pull one solo off Dead heart and talk about it in the same context.

 

[::XeS::]

Andy, personally I'm speaking about a matter of taste. I know every album has a background and lot of work. I'm not criticizing anyone, expecially you. And of course I'm not speaking about the new album because I still not hear it, but I was speaking about some solos on the last 2 albums, that I still love.
Take note that Jeff is my all the time favourite guitar player so....

 

[Ermz]

Speaking of that teaser, there really isn't much to go on. I'd love to hear more of the record before forming anything resembling an opinion. Youtube makes it a bit hard to gauge production too. Been waiting for this one since TGE however many years ago, so it's good to see the guys out there doing it again.

 

[kaomao]

you seem to forget, and its isnt just this thread, that when/if you come on here with some critical statement you are also talking about a project that I'VE put months of hard work into. So many times I have to bite my tongue because someone will say something and have no idea about the background, effort and time put into what they are effectively dispelling, talking like some expert from behind a computer screen from buttfuck nowhere aged 15. How you can pass comment about one teaser solo I have no idea, you could quite easily pull one solo off Dead heart and talk about it in the same context.

Nobody is criticizing your work, you fucking know how much I always praised your work, it's years I write on your forum, I'm a regular.
You're missing the point that there's personal taste in everything.
And I'm not criticizing this entire new album since I din't hear it at all.
I was talking about the new direction Jeff seems to have taken from enemies and on.
That lead is tight, not arguing about that, here is just about if I like or not a way of playing things "shredding melodic" versus "pure shredding" that's it.
Should I shut my fucking mouth because I don't like a part? it's just a matter of preference.
I Didn't throw any fucking shit on anyone.

 

[::XeS::]

+1

 

[JeffTD]

Should I shut my fucking mouth because I don't like a part? it's just a matter of preference.
I Didn't throw any fucking shit on anyone.

No, you shouldn't, but you shouldn't drag on and on and on and on and on and on and FUCKING ON about a musikmesse clip and a 40 second teaser and your opinions on some dudes playing - at the end of the day, nobody really gives a shit if you don't think that lead fits the song.

Guess what? I do! Our opinions are now nullified and we're on equal footing. And just like before, nobody gives a shit. It's Jeff's album, Jeff's guitar solo, and Jeff's say in the matter. If he likes it, then it goes on - end of story. You don't have to listen to it, and you have the right to harp on him about it, but we have the right to tell you to can it for being annoying, especially if we're in agreement with him in the first place.

You didn't "throw any fucking shit on anyone," but you're being unnecessarily aggressive and demeaning whether you realize it or not. You can calm down, ignore this thread, take a few days off, whatever... just please stop bitching.

*Edit* yeah, you kind of did, actually. "doesn't fit the rhythm section and seems like an excercise" is pretty much talking shit about the part, and his playing. Not to mention his picking is the exact same 16th note pattern that the kick is in??

You realize that based on your posts, you're seriously getting worked up and emotionally distraught about some other dudes playing? Something tells me if you cared as much about your own, you'd be posting more solos you thought perfectly fit rhythm sections and didn't seem like excercises.

 

[Ermz]

C'mon Jeff do I need to start compiling a list of quotes from the "Trigger" thread?

I think everyone's got a right to voice their opinion, unless of course the boss objects, since it's his forum. I've noticed Jeff's (Loomis) riff writing and lead playing veering in a certain direction for the last decade or so. I think that's fine, but I can totally understand how some would take issue with the newer sound. I still really like to spin 'Dreaming Neon Black' because that Nevermore doesn't exist anymore, to me anyway.

This feels a bit similar to the Parkway Drive thread, where people were called unreasonable (putting it lightly) for taking issue with the band's music, in spite of the band allegedly working extremely hard to earn their success. Working hard, to me at least, doesn't earn entitlement. There has to be a solid product beneath it. Whilst I take no issue with Loomis' current lead writing, I completely understand that others might. Fortunately for those others they need not purchase the album nor post in threads about modern Nevemore!

 

[kaomao]

You didn't "throw any fucking shit on anyone," but you're being unnecessarily aggressive and demeaning whether you realize it or not. You can calm down, ignore this thread, take a few days off, whatever... just please stop bitching.

I was pissed off by this "talking like some expert from behind a computer screen from buttfuck nowhere aged 15".

 

[26]

Couldn't agree more with Andy Sneap.
If some random metal kid on the street is judging something without knowing the background, or having reasonable information, probably nobody cares.
But here it can get annoying.

 

[JeffTD]

Fortunately for those others they need not purchase the album nor post in threads about modern Nevemore!

I think this is the operative phrase, with this and especially with that Parkway Drive thread. It's not like either thread began as a "come take a shit on PWD" or "discuss how Loomis' playing has gone downhill," but they both eventually transformed... "PWD is recording with Baressi -> is PWD a good band" and "Album teaser leaked -> How shite is Jeff's new phrasing?"

 

[bibz]

Theres nothing more self serving and ignorant then saying 'I dont like it' or 'it sucks'. If you think that, don't post unless peeps are asking for criticism. 'But its my opinion and I have a right to it' yeah you do. Noone cares though?

The insensitivity in posting negatively, particularly in the place of a person heavily involved in the project is such a dick move. You have to be attached to it at this level and you can hear that everyone is. Being a 'producer' nowadays apparently means the sounds you like are 'right' and everyone else is wrong, which is total ignorance. Good is good. If you dont like it write your own shit. You cannot change the creativity and art others are gifting you with.

From the musikmesse clip the feeling the orig clip gave me is proven. This is going to be one of the most important guitar albums of all time. And even youtube'd it sounds fucking tits. So instead of 'certain elements that pertain only to me and my opinion aren't aligning exactly how I would like' post 'nice' or stfu.

 

[Lasse Lammert]

Theres nothing more self serving and ignorant then saying 'I dont like it' or 'it sucks'. If you think that, don't post unless peeps are asking for criticism. 'But its my opinion and I have a right to it' yeah you do. Noone cares though?

The insensitivity in posting negatively, particularly in the place of a person heavily involved in the project is such a dick move. You have to be attached to it at this level and you can hear that everyone is. Being a 'producer' nowadays apparently means the sounds you like are 'right' and everyone else is wrong, which is total ignorance. Good is good. If you dont like it write your own shit. You cannot change the creativity and art others are gifting you with.

From the musikmesse clip the feeling the orig clip gave me is proven. This is going to be one of the most important guitar albums of all time. And even youtube'd it sounds fucking tits. So instead of 'certain elements that pertain only to me and my opinion aren't aligning exactly how I would like' post 'nice' or stfu.

great post!