new nickelback (dark horse)
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smy1
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Why do they have CLA and Shipley mix extra tracks when Randy Staub is mixing the album?? I mean single versions and whatnot, but it's not like these two guys are better than Staub ...??!!!
SocialNumb
Damn Christians!
Sloan
Sounds like shit!
OK. srsly. woaw.
here's a song i wrote a few months ago. CONTRAST AND COMPARE.
so basically, based on songwriting skill, i should be making at least, if not more, money than the band Nickelback.
HHHHHHHAhahahhhhahhaahahahahahahahhahaa, once again, nothing more need be said (though I think my favorite part is "copyright 2008 sloan") 
And yeah, I can totally see "Cheese Steakin'" being the newest club jam 
And yeah, I can totally see "Cheese Steakin'" being the newest club jam I don't know about that, but it was definitely on par with 99% of popular hiphop/rap or whatever you call that stuff. I'll take Nickelback lyrics any day over somebody saying stuff like "this is why I'm hot, I'm hot cause I'm fly, you ain't cause you're not." Seriously, wtf?
Not judging you dude, or saying that you're an example of the person I'm mentioning, but thank you for proving my point (in my eyes, anyway). However, I still admit that there's no reason it should aggravate me as much as it does, except that the aforementioned former best friend in HS who I would always write music with started shifting more and more to the above mentality as the final criterion for a songs worth, rejecting my ideas because they didn't couldn't "sell," and then pretty much adopting that as his lifestyle choice once he went to college.
And I also recognize that it's time I moved on and stopped giving him power over me by letting these things get to me so much, so this thread has been quite the cathartic experience, and Jeff, I thank you for calling me out on it and really making me realize it
kev
Im guybrush threepwood
hey, it potentially gets worse lads:
I wanna do it till the sun comes up
until we're both so good and sweaty
that we can't stand up
I wanna do it till we're both about to drop
as long as we're tied up together
then we're never gonna stop
I wanna go until the neighbors all complain
because they heard somebody screamin'
and they think we're both in pain
I wanna go so long your parents think you've died
there gonna call the cops, the CIA, and then the FBI
I wanna cover you with jello in the tub
we can roll around for hours without ever comin' up
i want you naked with your favorite heels on
slap John Deere across my ass
and ride me up and down the lawn
I wanna do it till the sun comes up
until we're both so good and sweaty
that we can't stand up
I wanna do it till we're both about to drop
as long as we're tied up together
then we're never gonna stop
I wanna go until the neighbors all complain
because they heard somebody screamin'
and they think we're both in pain
I wanna go so long your parents think you've died
there gonna call the cops, the CIA, and then the FBI
I wanna cover you with jello in the tub
we can roll around for hours without ever comin' up
i want you naked with your favorite heels on
slap John Deere across my ass
and ride me up and down the lawn
First of all, no disrepect is intended to you, smy1, I'm just engaging in the discussion. Sure, the lyrics are fine for the pop sort of stuff, and they may not be making music as an art form, but you would think Nickelback would like to command respect among musicians to go along with their huge success. I'm sure there are some musicians who appreciate this type of stuff, but I would estimate that the vast majority would find it to be laughable. I take a song like the one I mentioned about as serious as Warrant's Cherry Pie. Ask Jani Lane how he feels about writing that little number.
From wikipedia:
Lane would later express his views about the song and the album on the broadcast of VH1's HEAVY: The Story Of Metal - Episode 3: Looks That Kill, stating that "I could shoot myself in the fucking head for writing that song."
kev
Im guybrush threepwood
For you guys who dont wanna put the hours listen in, heres what we've got in this installment:
1. Sleeze tune about the women you're never going to get
2. Drunken epic about burning everything down in your pathway
3. The search for the perfect bitch (this ones got some heavy U2 beats)
4. Chad attempting to save his relationship after cheating on his mrs
5. Hardcore shagging, jelly is involved this time...
6. Drug Addiction (ah, knew it was coming!)
7. U2 guitars here, a little song about being with some chick forever and living life to the full
8. Expensive whores
9. nother' one of chads rape songs
10. Living life to the full again
11. Bob Marley days of bumming around, bonging weed and heavy drinkin'
Production is beatiful though, some beastly layers and lovely drums. Guess you cant knock the Kroegers vocal either!
1. Sleeze tune about the women you're never going to get
2. Drunken epic about burning everything down in your pathway
3. The search for the perfect bitch (this ones got some heavy U2 beats)
4. Chad attempting to save his relationship after cheating on his mrs
5. Hardcore shagging, jelly is involved this time...
6. Drug Addiction (ah, knew it was coming!)
7. U2 guitars here, a little song about being with some chick forever and living life to the full
8. Expensive whores
9. nother' one of chads rape songs
10. Living life to the full again
11. Bob Marley days of bumming around, bonging weed and heavy drinkin'
Production is beatiful though, some beastly layers and lovely drums. Guess you cant knock the Kroegers vocal either!
smy1
Member
Metaltastic & Splat:
No disrespect taken! I see where you are coming from and I think it's a noble and legitimate view. It is just far away from Nickelback and/or the popmusic business
I am personally a total pop guy. I grew up with Michael Jackson, Beastie Boys, Slayer and Morbid Angel, but am not ashamed of writing the most mundane lyrics if they fit the bill. I am currently writing/producing a song for a German Top10 poprock act and it's total cheese. Do I still like it? Yea. I mean, I really like it. Otherwise I wouldn't write it. And if you are Chad Kroeger, selling platinum in every country, you don't really care about musician's opinion anymore. Otherwise you would have started a weirdo progressive rock band in the first place ...
Always remember: pop music = popular music. That means a lot of people like it because it makes their lives better, happier, more exciting or more emotional. Who are we to look down upon that and call them the "unwashed masses" (non of you said exactly that) just because we have more knowledge about music production?
To me the best songs are those that touch people, no matter how simple or complicated.
No disrespect taken! I see where you are coming from and I think it's a noble and legitimate view. It is just far away from Nickelback and/or the popmusic business
I am personally a total pop guy. I grew up with Michael Jackson, Beastie Boys, Slayer and Morbid Angel, but am not ashamed of writing the most mundane lyrics if they fit the bill. I am currently writing/producing a song for a German Top10 poprock act and it's total cheese. Do I still like it? Yea. I mean, I really like it. Otherwise I wouldn't write it. And if you are Chad Kroeger, selling platinum in every country, you don't really care about musician's opinion anymore. Otherwise you would have started a weirdo progressive rock band in the first place ...
Always remember: pop music = popular music. That means a lot of people like it because it makes their lives better, happier, more exciting or more emotional. Who are we to look down upon that and call them the "unwashed masses" (non of you said exactly that) just because we have more knowledge about music production?
To me the best songs are those that touch people, no matter how simple or complicated.
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Kazrog
Kazrog, Inc.
I like the album, I think it's killer. These guys are very consistent. I grew up with glam rock in the 80s, so cheese is a part of my musical diet, and this is good cheese from Canada.
As for the song mashup issue - I remember the band addressed this and said that they intentionally wrote "Someday" to be similar, because of a web poll they had on their site about what people's favorite song was from the previous album at the time. Logically, since this is a mainstream band, most of Nickelback fanbase loved the radio hit "This Is How You Remind Me." It's a continuation of the same thread lyrically and musically, in that sense is it really different than Dream Theater doing Metropolis pt. II?
I guess I'm in the odd position of defending Nickelback, didn't see myself doing that. It's easy to make fun of them, but in reality very few of us could do what they do. I spent a couple of years going toward a more mainstream sound with a previous band, trying to get a major label deal, etc., and I found that it wasn't for me. In 2005, I realized it was time that I fully embraced who I am as a person with my music, and stay true to my roots.
I also think that Nickelback are writing honest music that they believe in as well, and they just happen to write more mainstream-friendly stuff naturally.
As for the song mashup issue - I remember the band addressed this and said that they intentionally wrote "Someday" to be similar, because of a web poll they had on their site about what people's favorite song was from the previous album at the time. Logically, since this is a mainstream band, most of Nickelback fanbase loved the radio hit "This Is How You Remind Me." It's a continuation of the same thread lyrically and musically, in that sense is it really different than Dream Theater doing Metropolis pt. II?
I guess I'm in the odd position of defending Nickelback, didn't see myself doing that. It's easy to make fun of them, but in reality very few of us could do what they do. I spent a couple of years going toward a more mainstream sound with a previous band, trying to get a major label deal, etc., and I found that it wasn't for me. In 2005, I realized it was time that I fully embraced who I am as a person with my music, and stay true to my roots.
I also think that Nickelback are writing honest music that they believe in as well, and they just happen to write more mainstream-friendly stuff naturally.
just got the CD in the mail today from Monte at RR.... this CD is a formidable slice of top notch hard-rock production and mixing. Staub proves once again that he is the mother-fuckin' man, and both Chris Lord-Alge and Mike Shipley contribute great mixes as well. Albums like this, whether you profess either love or disdain for the artist and their music, are benchmarks for the heavy rock production milieu. love it or hate it as you will, but you can't dismiss it.
Kazrog
Kazrog, Inc.
K Odell
\=/Varnisher\=/
amen james. from the first note (which blew me away) def one of the best rock mixes i've ever heard. i thought "all the right reasons" was gangsta, this is like super gangsta. this is up there with APC 13th step as far as i'm concerned.
jauernis
Member
Not rating this album except that I love the production on this...any chance we can actually disect the album? The drums, bass, and guitars on this. Really intersted in the bass especially. I hear that Shipley uses synth bass under the real bass for more control.
Josh Burgess
Member
Hahahaha. Best analogy ever.
Nickelback is fucking terrible. Good production does not make good music, and it never will... I don't care how big the budget is or who is working on it. The production means jack shit to me if the music is this pathetic...
Ermz
¯\(°_o)/¯
Staub is very much the lord of all hard rock mixing. The power and presence of his mixes on the new one are almost unreal. I have never heard 'rock' production done to that degree of perfection. It is amazing to hear someone like CLA's mixes get dwarfed by the absolute power of Staub's drums. I mean... what does he do? Do we mere mortals even have the facilities to comprehend what he does with his mixes?
I really do miss the walls of rectumfrier though. I'm not overly down with the idea of 'drum n vocal' mixes.
I really do miss the walls of rectumfrier though. I'm not overly down with the idea of 'drum n vocal' mixes.
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