Obama's Inauguration /Good Riddance "W"

[phatfil]

banning guns is a bad idea. only law abiding citizens would comply, leaving criminals with the upper hand.

look at what happened when Australia banned guns. this is from an article posted in March of 2000...

"Since Australia banned private ownership of most guns in 1996, crime has risen dramatically on that continent, prompting critics of U.S. gun control efforts to issue new warnings of what life in America could be like if Congress ever bans firearms."

"Countrywide, homicides are up 3.2 percent;

Assaults are up 8.6 percent;

Amazingly, armed robberies have climbed nearly 45 percent;

In the Australian state of Victoria, gun homicides have climbed 300 percent;

In the 25 years before the gun bans, crime in Australia had been dropping steadily;

There has been a reported "dramatic increase" in home burglaries and assaults on the elderly."

SOURCE: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15304

gun banning has been tried and had disasterous results. we have to learn from history, not repeat mistakes.

 

[Metaltastic]

Yeah, on the topic of hunting, it's probably because as an urban Westerner all the meat I've consumed has been FAR removed from the original animal it came from (as far as packaging and preparation is concerned), but I love animals dearly, and can't ever see myself hunting either. An example is when I arrived home to my parents house one time (they live in the middle of the woods), and pulled up the long driveway to see some deer on our lawn, who immediately stared me down, and I in turn them But as I continued to slowly pull up the driveway, they kept looking at me (especially the biggest one), though also turned away and kept grazing, and it occurred to me how easy it would be for my to kill one of them if I had a gun, but my heart just broke at the thought. That was when I really decided that I think hunting for sport is a really savage thing to do; they were beautiful, defenseless animals who I had no reason to kill, yet some people wouldn't hesitate to pull out their high-powered rifle with a telescopic site and just blast 'em. Here's a pic I snapped with my phone (you can see the big one eying me with great suspicion):

 

[Aaron Smith]

From what I hear, citizens in the US are quite justified in carrying concealed firearms. I don't really have anything against you guys for it. I would do the same if I lived there. Christ, I'd be packing grenades and tear gas if I ever had to work a session up there

I hope you were exaggerating when it comes to the grenades and tear gas thing, because if not, then you are definitely out of touch with what it really is like to live in the states.

I'm also surprised that no one has mentioned anything lengthy about Switzerland yet... If I understand correctly, every male in required to go into the military and has a fully-automatic military-issued rifle stored in their homes. After their military time is over, you are allowed to keep the rifle, but it must be altered to behave as semi-automatic. Switzerland's crime rates are the lowest anywhere, and their homes are filled with guns. I mean, how many people are going to break into a house, knowing full well that inside that home there is a trained shooter with a weapon inside?

Check out this article (just one of the first I pulled up in a Google search):

http://www.theblessingsofliberty.com/articles/article11.html

 

[J.DavisNJ]

I hope you were exaggerating when it comes to the grenades and tear gas thing, because if not, then you are definitely out of touch with what it really is like to live in the states.

I'm also surprised that no one has mentioned anything lengthy about Switzerland yet... If I understand correctly, every male in required to go into the military and has a fully-automatic military-issued rifle stored in their homes. After their military time is over, you are allowed to keep the rifle, but it must be altered to behave as semi-automatic. Switzerland's crime rates are the lowest anywhere, and their homes are filled with guns. I mean, how many people are going to break into a house, knowing full well that inside that home there is a trained shooter with a weapon inside?

Check out this article (just one of the first I pulled up in a Google search):

http://www.theblessingsofliberty.com/articles/article11.html

I also read that while not in training or at the range that they have a single 50 round box that must be sealed unless ordered by whatever commander they answer to. They supposedly check the seal pretty strictly as well.

I think their civilian population still own plenty of guns though. Although I bet the process of owning one is a bit more rigorous than here.

They do have some pretty awesome high tech ranges there.

Yeah I guess it's quite hard for me to keep out of this thread lol.

-Joe

 

[J.DavisNJ]

Check out home boy in Switzerland between training...Walking past the soccer mom with his Sig on his back, hahaha:

-Joe

 

[J.DavisNJ]

Whoa big image! My bad...

-Joe

 

[SocialNumb]

Yeah, on the topic of hunting, it's probably because as an urban Westerner all the meat I've consumed has been FAR removed from the original animal it came from (as far as packaging and preparation is concerned), but I love animals dearly, and can't ever see myself hunting either. An example is when I arrived home to my parents house one time (they live in the middle of the woods), and pulled up the long driveway to see some deer on our lawn, who immediately stared me down, and I in turn them But as I continued to slowly pull up the driveway, they kept looking at me (especially the biggest one), though also turned away and kept grazing, and it occurred to me how easy it would be for my to kill one of them if I had a gun, but my heart just broke at the thought. That was when I really decided that I think hunting for sport is a really savage thing to do; they were beautiful, defenseless animals who I had no reason to kill, yet some people wouldn't hesitate to pull out their high-powered rifle with a telescopic site and just blast 'em. Here's a pic I snapped with my phone (you can see the big one eying me with great suspicion):

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[James Murphy]

banning guns is a bad idea. only law abiding citizens would comply, leaving criminals with the upper hand.

look at what happened when Australia banned guns. this is from an article posted in March of 2000...

"Since Australia banned private ownership of most guns in 1996, crime has risen dramatically on that continent, prompting critics of U.S. gun control efforts to issue new warnings of what life in America could be like if Congress ever bans firearms."

"Countrywide, homicides are up 3.2 percent;

Assaults are up 8.6 percent;

Amazingly, armed robberies have climbed nearly 45 percent;

In the Australian state of Victoria, gun homicides have climbed 300 percent;

In the 25 years before the gun bans, crime in Australia had been dropping steadily;

There has been a reported "dramatic increase" in home burglaries and assaults on the elderly."

SOURCE: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15304

gun banning has been tried and had disasterous results. we have to learn from history, not repeat mistakes.

thank you. this same scenario plays out across america.. the most gun controlled areas have the worst gun crime. Washington D.C., New York City, and California and the best expamples. essentially they are "helpless victim zones".

 

[RockGuitarX]

To Marcus: Yeah +1 to that. I get invited to go hunting quite often but I decline offers unless we just go to the shooting range. I don't have the heart to kill an innocent animal that isn't harming my life. BTW I'm jealous of your parent's house. The land and home look so beautiful.

 

[Torniojaws]

I just have to mention about hunting in Finland: they don't do it for sport per-se. They will get the meat from the animal and prepare it themselves, and of course eat the meat or sell it to locals Some more skilled hunters will skin them and make ornaments from the hide and antlers. So the hunting is not "just for fun". Of course they don't need to kill the animals for food, but it's also not done just because you can.

 

[Metaltastic]

Yeah, and there are people in the States who hunt for food and save money in the process, which I can't really condemn cuz it's just substituting the death of a deer for a bunch of chicken and cows that they would eat otherwise. But people who go out just to shoot animals for kicks (and I'm sure there are some in Finland, just like everywhere else) I can't condone (at least not with rifles, if you're going tracker-status with a knife or bow and arrow at least it's somewhat fair )

And Brett, thanks man, we love it there, and you won't believe how cheap it was! The school taxes are HORRENDOUS, though, and we also got a big addition put on it, but still, we made out alright moving from Manhattan back in '03! Check out this interior shot for X-TREME jealousy heheheh

 

[J.DavisNJ]

Marcus,

Where in NY do you live? Anywhere near Orange county? I definitely would like to live up there somewhere some day. It's a pretty ideal area for me. I'm pretty anti-urban living, haha.

I guess the only disadvantage would be the job market is pretty slim in an area like that, so commuting is a must.

That seems like the ideal space for a kick-ass studio dude. When I'm in my windowless office, I daydream about having the optimal studio location haha.

-Joe

 

[J.DavisNJ]

I just have to mention about hunting in Finland: they don't do it for sport per-se. They will get the meat from the animal and prepare it themselves, and of course eat the meat or sell it to locals Some more skilled hunters will skin them and make ornaments from the hide and antlers. So the hunting is not "just for fun". Of course they don't need to kill the animals for food, but it's also not done just because you can.

Ya know, this type of thing really makes me think. I am against hunting purely for sport, but I can identify with this sort of thing.

Also, I know it's touchy to say that there is a "humane" way to kill an animal, but I'd imagine a quick death in it's natural environment is better than being abused in a slaughterhouse, being packed together in closed quarters, and being killed in a pretty gruesome way.

-Joe

 

[Aaron Smith]

Ah, the subject of killing animals...

Let me start by saying that when killing an animal, I think there is no reason to willfully go about it in a cruel way (the slaughterhouse saving money is not a good reason). I will always advocate for the quickest, most "humane" death possible.

That said, I honestly think organizations like PETA are absolutely ridiculous in many ways, because they seem to entirely forget that every day on every continent, animals kill animals. It is completely natural, and especially in places like Africa, there are some really brutal killings that are all commonplace. I'm talking about crocodiles ripping a gazelle in half while it struggles in vain to break free, or a bunch of lions attacking an elephant or a water buffalo. Water buffalo and elephants are tough, but when there's a dozen lions sinking their teeth and claws into them, it's only a matter of time (sometimes hours) before the lions win. I actually think that watching animals track and kill their prey is extremely interesting... It is RIDICULOUS how fast a cheetah will chase a gazelle and how agile they are...sometimes the gazelle gets away, but much of the time, the cheetah catches the gazelle's back and takes it down, or even catches the gazelle's neck with it's mouth. I know you all already are aware of all of this, but I think it's important to illustrate my point...

When it comes to humans killing animals, I really don't see how it's any different. Yes, we have a level of intelligence, morality, and self-awareness that no other living creature shares, but do the animals know that? Of course not. Do you think a horse even knows that a human made the barn it lives in? Does a cow or a pig or a chicken even know that the slaughterhouse was built by humans? Do they even think about that? Even if they did, are they able to comprehend humanity's intelligence and do they know that we have different moral standards than they do? Of course not- animals have no clue about any of that. If an animal is abused in the long term (a dog owner for example), then I can see how it would start to view humans as inherently cruel, or at the very least, as a danger to its well being, and there's no reason to make any animal suffer like that. But when it comes to animals at the slaughterhouse, I don't think killing them is wrong at all. I personally would not ever want to be the guy who has to cut the throats of all the pigs coming down the line on meat hooks, but that's honestly probably a pretty quick and easy death. The worst part for the animals is probably just the anticipation of death, or the notion that they're in a bad place and have no chance to get away...but isn't that the exact same feelings a gazelle would have when a crocodile has it by the leg and is trying to drown it?

I guess my stance is, kill animals, but don't do anything to cause them needless extended pain, because we know better than that.

By the way, check this out, it's pretty amazing:

 

[Metaltastic]

Animals kill because they have to (except for lions, the cocks), usually humans don't (though see my post above for my full feelings on the subject)

 

[Chryst Krispies]

Oh man anohter one of these hahah...

PEOPLE.

We are alllllll animals. Animals are animals too hah. We eat each other. That's how it is, that's how it's been. That's how it gon' be!
Sustenance ftw.

+1 to Aaron too.

PETA = Bullshit. Penn and Teller said so.

 

[RemoWilliams]

Not a days goes by I don't feel the red hot look of a deer or squirrel eying me. I know they want my wallet. As they said in The Simpsons; "If a cow had the chance, he'd kill you and your whole family."

Get them before they get YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[James Murphy]

He's comin' right for us!!



p.s., FTR, i don't hunt.

 

[RockGuitarX]

^ LMAO God I love South Park...

 

[JBroll]

I think it's important to keep something in mind with guns...

OF COURSE they were designed to maim and kill! That's not an argument, it's observing history - but taking it as an argument against guns is showing a total lack of connection with the fact that some people want to infringe on your rights as a human being! History has also shown repeatedly that we *cannot* rely on governments as well as we can rely on ourselves - in my (admittedly extremist) opinion government is one of the biggest failed experiments humanity has *ever* attempted. Relying on governments for anything has been repeatedly shown to be a bad idea in the States. Take it from a bloody government employee - if you want something done, tell the government *not* to do it and you'll have a higher chance of getting what you're after - our government can't teach kids, fix the economy, or even keep itself running, so expecting government solutions to work is bonkers.

Jeff