Once again im Having MASSIVE issues with my guitars being muddy. stupid POD

maybe HP to around 100hz and let the bass carry the low end more? notch out around 400hz a bit too, especially if you're using the "4x12 Treatplate" cab. it's definitely fighting with everything else in the mix though.
 
Can't tell for sure but the guitars sound a little out of tune. That will go a long way to make it sound less muddy. Are you using any type of saturation plug? Sometimes that can bring pod tones to life.

well im using a vintage warmer to give it a little more drive.

i just cannot get my head around it its highpassed at like 60 hz :/ with andy sneaps c4 settings meant to be controlling the low end :/
 
Like mentioned above, get the performance right first and then try dipping some low mids a bit. You will have to sweep them a bit to find out what freq to cut because different tunings and players end up with different freq that need cutting.

Not sure if you noticed but your guitars are out of tune. :wave:
 
Sounds like playing, too much gain and no separation between the different guitar parts. Honestly the whole mix is mud not just the guitars. Beyond that it seems you don't understand what Andy's "magic" C4 settings are supposed to do. They are not supposed to fix non-stop mud but rather to control lows on things on palm mutes etc. to keep them from overpowering in certain spots while allowing you to maintain enough low end the rest of the time. If you guitars don't sound good with just a lo/hi pass and nothing else no amount of post processing is going to save them.
 
well im using a vintage warmer to give it a little more drive.

i just cannot get my head around it its highpassed at like 60 hz :/ with andy sneaps c4 settings meant to be controlling the low end :/

A good question for you is do you know how a Parametric EQ works? If not then that's the first place to start.

From there do you understand what a low / high pass is?
If not then look into it (this directly ties to the first question so start there if your answer was no)

Another point is you need to allow the bass guitar to carry the low end not the guitars. You shouldn't be going any lower then say 100 to 120hz on the guitars low end, thats just a reference point of course find something that sounds good :) You guitar tone should have as little EQ as possible on it. All my tones are high / low pass on the EQ and that's it, no additional coloring or filtering, sometimes I don't even high / low pass.

Also the playing is a HUGE factor. you need to be really really tight if you are doing more then 2 tracks of guitars. I rarely ever do more then 2 rhythm tracks. One 100% left another 100% right. Make sure the playing is tight and you get that huge wall of sound.

One more pointer, if the entire project starts to sound like shit during tracking, find out what is causing the issue and fix it. not with EQ, maybe a different bass or guitar tone, maybe different drum samples. Find the problem instrument and fix it before trying to "fix it in the mix"

You also CAN NOT rely on presets to give you a good sound. Everyone's playing and environment make things sound completely different. I use andys C4 as a guide to learn how to use a multi-band compressor. Once I figured out the problem frequency I was able to fix it with better mic positioning and some tone tweaking on the amp. Now theirs 1 less plug-in i have to run :)
 
Now after listening to the mix ....

#1 too much reverb on the whole thing.

Way too much highs in the cymbals, turn the harmonic exciter / BBE / Stereo imager off whatever it is causing that "ssssssss" frequency get rid of it.

Do you know how to use a Frequency analyzer? if not learn how and get one, they are the most valuable tool in your aresenal.

What are you mixing on? headphones? monitors? if so what kind.

Fill us in on the entire DAW setup and we will be able to give better advice.
 
Thanks for the advice guys

i highpassed the guitars at like 120 hz , i HAD a frequency analyzer but my partition got nailed so im in the process of restoring everything.

im mixing on alesis m1 active monitors and tracking through cubase sx3, im using a profire 2626 interface too,

i know what you meant about that reverb Guru so i took a little out at 500hz and that seemed to clear it up, i took off the exciter i had running and when i listened back to it in a car system that hissing was awful so thank you for that :)

ill post the next mix of it tonight hopefully.

thanks again :)
 
yeah the only way i can tell how bassy it ACTUALLY is...is walk about 5 feet away from them haha :)
 
When my guitars look like this in the analyzer I find they sound best. Just as a reference :) http://www.jasoncohenitservices.com/DVT.mp3

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Keep in mind this is a real 5150 with a Marshall w/v30s and a 57.
 
yeah so do i. i usually use a c4 to boost anywhere over there.

in my guitar channels i have.

podfarm
q1 (12khz LP)

then i send em off to a bus with

a Q8 LP & HP filtered, i notch about 4 to 500 hz out and a 4d notch at 4k to reduce fizz.
psp vintage warmer
c4

& sometimes

another c4

:)
 
Way too much processing going on thats 3/4 of the problem......

if you are using that much processing on your guitars you are killing all the natural transients and making it sound like shit :P

You need to have a good SOURCE track. This means your amp settings for lack of a better term suck :P

Try a different amp model, cab, mic.

Are you using a POD or Podfarm?

If you are using a POD turn off the cabinet emulation and use Impulses instead. They will sound better :)
 
im using podfarm mate.

with the ms diamond plate model,

if i recall with the screamer settings at 0 drive about 50 gain and about 75 percent tone

amp settings. 60 percent gain 40 bass 50 mid 75 treb and 80 pres with the volume knob whacked up
 
mine's DI > Toneport > Gate > Ampsim (right now it's VandalAmp, but it's the kind'a the same 5kz problem on all of them) + LeCab > Guitars Bus > Master.

i'll revert to the c4 thing, used to do that, but then got excited about voxengo harmonic exciter but that led to a lot more noise... anyways....